originally posted by: hammanderr
Stop saying they don't make contact because we wage war and pollute, that is utterly simplistic.
This space-faring race(if they exist) has probably figured out how to cull resources from space, planets, asteroids etc. They've probably waged
more war and polluted more rivers and lakes than we can dream.
They didn't make it to their current level of sophistication by being studious hippies. War, technological innovation and profit go hand in hand.
Stop being childish simpletons.
I'd have to agree. That notion is simplistic. However to say otherwise would be equally simplistic. The typical simpleton likes nothing more than to
speculate, then assume his conclusion is fact. The previous poster may have been correct, but there is little point in batting backwards and forwards
unsupported "factual" statements about reasons when none of them are proven or based upon any concrete. Your argument is in fact rather pointless and
based more on your world view than probability.
As your end note is somewhat hostile, I'll elaborate:
In regards to pollution and war, you present yet another loose assumption based entirely upon your own perception of "intelligent society". If you
were even to look as far as the animal kingdom, you would see a vast spread of different mentalities throughout, including hive mentality. I'm sure
you're inclined to point our that hives conflict with each other, but again you would be making assumptions about evolution and development. Founded
on hive mentality, an evolved society may have ditched conflict entirely. The point is that any number of paths may have been taken during the
development of a civilisation. Indeed, any path is a possibility, so the previous poster is quite fair in his statement. Of course for every passive
peace loving society, there is the threat of the opposite, one apparently exhibiting your own outlook. I can very quickly conclude which I would
prefer to encounter.
As for pollution and resources, all growing societies are likely to his the resource wall at some point, and each of them may have tackled it in a
different manner. Renewable resources, and a minimal footprint are certainly a logical direction to pursue, far more so than destroying and
over-mining your own home, so he deserves a little more credibility than yourself on that front.
Finally in regards to "They didn't make it to their current level of sophistication by being studious hippies. War, technological innovation and
profit go hand in hand. Stop being childish simpletons."
I believe this is best summarised by "Nonsense". I'm sure your imaginary race is highly warlike, aggressive and ruin every planet they land on. Seeing
however that you have no facts, and there is no basis for your statement, you appear to be the childish simpleton in this case.
There is a vast difference between squandered personal profit and profit for society. Looking at the population and productivity of this planet, far
far greater things could have been accomplished long before now if resources weren't stockpiled and squandered by the affluent, with no benefit for
advancement and growth. Picture an entire society working towards a mutual gain (if indeed you are capable) and you will find vast difference.
edit on 2-1-2015 by simon155 because: Typos