originally posted by: onequestion
Yes I am saying it,
CAPITALISM DOESN'T and IS NOT WORKIG
Ok I know what your response is going to be, it's not capitalism it's an oligarchy, it's crony capitalism, it's everything else. But guess what,
capitalism is what brought us into the oligarchy it's what got us into this mess.
It creates social incentives for greed and wealth and does not benefit humanity as a whole it benefits the top percentage of greedy wealthy sociopaths
at the top who understand it best.
We need to come up with a system that doesn't require people to starve, doesn't pollute the earth and destroy the rainforest, that doesn't enslave
Africa and South America.
So people any suggestions ?
Yes, I have a complete solution. As far as a political and economic model I dont have an easy label for it, but I will explain it.
Capitalism is not a form of government, it is not a political theory - it is simply the idea that the labor of an individual belongs to them, and to
nobody else - I completely agree with this concept - but this is not exercised anywhere in the world. Once a govt can tax people without their
consent, with the threat of violence - then any semblance of capitalism is gone.
However - hidden within most peoples understanding of capitalism is a critical mistake - there is property that exists that is NOT a product of human
labor. For example, sunshine, air, water, real estate, natural living things and so on.
The mistake of modern capitalism is to treat these things as if they are, or even could be private property - they are not - they are common
All property is easily divided into private property, and common property. So all the bounty of the oceans, naturally growing tree's and other living
things, air, water sunshine, minerals, oil, gas and real estate etc do not exist as a product of human labor and are common property (it is convenient
to label this as 'land')- all those things which exist that are contingent upon human beings are the private properties of human beings. A human
beings private property are all those things which are contingent upon the existence of that human being - that is mind, body, emotional state, public
persona, character, private thoughts and writings and of course labor and the products of labor.
However it is easily seen that products of labor are always mingled with common property (that is to make a chair you need wood, or to make an engine
your need metals and so on) - this is not a paradox - the labor component belongs to the person - the material it is made of is common property. A
person may control common property - but does not own it. When it comes to disposal (that is destroying the labor component - leaving only common
property), then it is handled as common property by law. For example - you can demolish your house, but common property law might require that you
recycle the copper and other metals - the wood on the other hand is renewable, so common property law would probably say you can do what you like with
it. The value is private property - because value is created by human labor, so you can sell the copper, but law might say you cant throw it away.
There is one law that will allow people to live together in peace, 'Whosoever infringes the property of another being without their consent commits an
Now if the entire natural world is common property, the fairest way to distribute common property is to divide it equally between all living people.
However, to allow this division it is required that the law be upheld - therefore only those willing to uphold the law and to protect it should
benefit - I call these people (or groups in some cases) sovereigns.
This means that every sovereign has an equal share of all the common property - and it is unlawful for anyone to infringe that common property without
This means that anyone who wants to pollute the air, fish the sea, own real estate and fence it off, pollute the water, raise living creates
(including plants) must do so with the consent of the majority. To obtain the consent of the majority for most standard uses of common property - it
is reasonable that the rest of humanity charges them rent - after all they are making use of property that everyone else has a share of.
It is also reasonable that all things that are basic to the survival of a human being are rent free - this means air to breathe, water to drink, some
land to live on, sunshine that falls on you or your land, paths that you travel and so on.
This means that use of land requires democratic consent - so animals for example are not private property - but are common property. So you can
control animals (as a farmer perhaps), and benefit from your labor by raising and selling them for food, leather, fibers and so on - but you cannot
just decide you are going to beat them to death with a spiked club. The treatment of the animals - and what you can do with them must be decided
Fish in the sea for example which grow naturally and not as a result of human labor - then everyone is entitled to rent charged for the privilege of
catching and selling them - but animals you raise on your own land have a much larger labor component and would not even be on that land if you did
not move them there - ie they are very close to private property and would command no rent.
The simplest way to manage all the rental is to determine how much pollution the air and water can take, how much fish can be fished, how many tree's
can be felled and so on - and to trade rights to use those resources on a common market. Democratic laws could restrict you in many ways, the type of
tree or fish taken - the method and so on. The rent could be collected and paid out to everyone.
Real estate is also common property - so cannot be private property. Any buildings or improvements are private property - but the unimproved land is
common property and should attract rent - which would be collected and paid to everyone.
When you leave all the guns in the hands of any group - they will ultimately oppress every other group. To avoid this every sovereign would be
REQUIRED to be a soldier, policeman and juror - and would be REQUIRED to act when needed.
For those who did not want to take on the risks and responsibilities of sovereigns they could be citizens - being the common property of the
sovereigns - that would be a choice. Only sovereigns could vote on common property laws, and receive rent - but all citizens would be protected by
common property law (so citizens would likely enjoy all the same protections as sovereigns - but not be able to vote, nor to receive rent.) Anyone
who was unable to act as a sovereign, such as children, disabled and mentally incompetent would be citizens - protected by common property laws.
There is a great deal more to this political system, but I dont want to write 100 pages - suffice to say if common property is recognized and the
people are all armed and willing to uphold the law then you only need a way to establish the common laws, collect and disburse rent and this is a
Self reliance is critical for such a system, and this would require a culture which is supported by tradition, myth, symbols, celebrations and
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