Alright...I'll start with the old cliche - I've always had trouble deciding where certain topics of thread should be created, this instance being no
I'll fore go the hackneyed "mods, please move this thread if it's in the wrong..." and so on. In fact, from this day on any time I start a thread on
ATS I'm neglecting to go though this charade - I have absolute faith in the mods and that they will move a thread to another forum if they see fit,
I'll just post where I think it belongs and it if gets moved then so be it!
Anyway - this is kind of a rant, but not really an angry one. Just an inquisitive one, really.
ATS has changed quite a bit since I first found the site many years ago. I stumbled on ATS by accident when I followed some links, I can't remember
exactly how, it was a long time ago...but I remember that kind of "hmmm, what's this?" sort of moment where I knew I'd found something quite unique
At first I found ATS intriguing, it seemed kinda underground. It had threads covering really obscure, often downright mind bending topics with lot's
of really technical information. Much of it was over my head. Although I found the site interesting, I didn't understand the layout of the site much-
I was lazy and would spend maybe 15 minutes here then I'd leave...forget, then return usually out of boredom or by chance when a google search
returned an ATS page.
It went on like this, I found I was drawn to ATS more and more, and started to understand more of what it was all about. The wide range of topics
discussed and began to appreciate the many varied and technically brilliant, information rich threads that were on this wonderful site. I became
another ATS cliche, the person who was a long time lurker who then created an account because I felt a need to be part of that community.
I think ATS is possibly one of the most educational sites on the web - people share information freely and the subjects discussed are absolutely
fascinating. I love this site, it's a regular routine for me now to pop on ATS every so often and read through the latest threads, I tell people I
know to check the site out, I promote it.
For me ATS has changed..or maybe it was always like this and I simply never noticed. I distinctly remember introducing myself as the proverbial lurker
turned member in a thread and being welcomed by certain parties - and one warning me to have fun, but beware of the trolls. At the time I'm sure I
responded with something along the lines of never really having noticed much trolling in the time I'd already spent here. Maybe I was blind to it...I
I still love this site, but there's a particular class of member that's more prevalent now than it was when I first joined. I'm not here to diss
anyone or take catty swipes. I love those threads where people really investigate and solve interesting cases, there are loads of them around on this
Educational - some classic threads that showed us noobs how to look at things more objectively - everyone would pitch in, and the bulk of it would
sleuthing of a caliber that would put Columbo to shame.
We still get that from a lot of mostly old time users who were contributing members here way back when I was still turning up ATS pages in google
For me this is the biggest change, people are less objective and more closed minded, not all...but it's a lot more common now for someone to state
their opinion as fact, supply no reasoning, simply "this is what I think therefore that's what happened - no evidence required".
I'd like to raise a specific case in point - I know we're not supposed to discuss other threads, but it's a thread I authored so I don't know if that
matters - I'm not trying to resurrect the thread in any way, I'm using it as evidence to support this thread.
A while back some people were passing images around of a girl at a football match and claiming it was Madeleine McCann. I found it interesting, I find
the whole case interesting. I presented the image and asked others what they thought...I expected people to apply logic and reasoning, wasn't looking
for a specific answer nor did I lay claim to any belief that the girl in the image was Madeleine.
It was simply an interesting entry point to discuss an interesting case which is currently developing, with more information regarding suspects, etc,
being printed and reported.
Mostly all I got was biting answers...not by all, but by most...I'd say the general answer, if I could wrap them all up into a sort of average, matter
of fact way...was "you're an idiot, you think that's her, it's not...she's too young".
That was the logic applied...that's it. The girl "looks" too young. That's not evidence, that's speculation...I'm in mid 30's and get ID'd for
alcohol, my aunt is so small and young looking she got refused entry on a fairground ride because she was too short, she was in her 40's!
This passes for logic and reasoning? This is going on in other threads all the time, more than ever. People aren't discussing things like they used
to, people aren't digging or presenting facts to support their claims or assumptions or conclusions any more, they're just saying...this is what I
think so that's what happened.
For me, that's the biggest change here on ATS...I don't know if it's intentional.
Is it trolling?
Are certain groups deliberately trying to discredit the content of the site?
Is ATS becoming more mainstream and attracting a lot of new members who haven't spent time going through old, classic threads? I do that a lot when I
Or was it always like this and I'm only now starting to notice?
Does anyone remember any old threads they really enjoyed and found informative or educational that they'd recommend to new members?
So many questions...again, not having a go. Just telling you all how I feel my view of ATS has changed since I first came across the site 'til now.
Still love ATS, always will.
How has ATS changed for you over the years? Is it better? Worse?
How did you even end up here?
edit on 6-6-2014 by samerulesapply because: I are am an stupids.