Detroit's horrifying collapse accelerating beyond belief

originally posted by: BobAthome
heres the problem,,

850M divided by 85thousand houses,, $10,000.00 / house,,,seems high?

I live in a small town in Missouri and own two houses on the block (bought as a package deal, they sit next to one another). I am renovating one and the best bid I've gotten was $15,000 to doze the other one down and grade the lot properly

If I got a bid tomorrow for $10,000 I'd be throwing my wallet at them that moment

a reply to: 200Plus

It's not a lie at all. If there's multiple Greyhound stations there I don't know. It was a building in a bad neighborhood. The people at the front desk said don't step out beyond the front door, and the security guard would escort you if you went more than a couple feet. It was not a nice neighborhood. And no, there was nothing nearby outside to eat.

a reply to: Morningglory

You lived in gary...and survived!?! Gary was the murder capitol of the country for a while. My wife grew up in meriville and we recently made a trip back to see family. Gary is a scary place, although I am pretty safe sitting high and mighty in my small new england town.

The government could fix it. Just declare Detroit a free-from-tax district for 5 years, and big companies may even pull off-shore labor mills to get in there. A double win.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

actually this sentiment is REALLY old. The articles of confederation failed over monetary issues. Many of the time argued that the banks did it on purpose and were actually responsible for the largest counterfeiting scheme meant to undermine the new nation never told.

They screw us, we do nothing, time passes, we forget and the cycle repeats itself.

The thing is we are always catching on a little earlier, a little more in depth, and are increasingly angrier after every fraud.

We really can trace this back to the first issuance of banknotes in Europe and the Rothschild family. I swear to you, one day the entire line of them will be erased from existance. They have never learned when to hold them and when to fold them.

I agree with this assessment. The long range view of history. The initial forces that created the negative feed-back loop that is Detroit. In fact I think it is personal. Personal for the banksters. Detroit is where they piss on the memory of Henry Ford for his politics.


Mike Grouchy

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe
THe move happened in the 1970s, some 20 years before 1992.

Detroit's auto jobs kept vanishing as the Big Three lost market share to foreign automakers starting in the 1970s. At the same time, many of the autoworkers themselves were leaving the city to live in the suburbs, further weakening the city's tax base.

www.washingtonpost.co... m/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/19/we-saved-the-automakers-how-come-that-didnt-save-detroit/

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

I will agree that to a degree it is a result of dependence both on government and business and everything in between. But what do you expect from a penal colony country that was founded on the backs of slavery? The mental mind frame of people from detroit is deeply rooted in what was once chattel slavery, from the great migration of the 1930s that took them there wanting a better life, to the immigrants of the 1920s wanting the same thing. Yes, nothing is wrong with the land, but it is in the North in a cold ass climate that doesn't produce in a normal grow season nor has a high mineral nutrition in its soil compared to the southern parts of the US. OF COURSE outsourcing would stop them in their tracks, the town was built on labor. That is all generation have known since the inception of the factories there. America went from a PRODUCER to a CONSUMER through bad government politics during the 1970s; some of that tongue in cheek had to do with affirmative action and the nerve black folks would make enough money to be able to have consumer power. A lot has been done to prevent the upward mobility of black folks as a group in America, and Detroit bears the scars.

There is American ingenuity and creativity but it is SUPPRESSED! That is the problem. Everytime someone comes up with a great idea, corporations shut it down, and/or kill the person. The Telsa Co. issues are a prime example. Getting off oil and converting cars over to something else is a prime example. Look at the guy who could make a car run 1K mpg and what Shell did to him and his unsolved murder. The American dream is a postcard feel good slogan to sucker immigrants in, and hook them permanetly. Remember, if you are a US citizen or national you pay taxes here FOREVER no matter where in the world you are, no matter how long. Americans farming has been taken away from them, first from the black people that had worked the land and had to fight racism and terrorism to keep it, then from those that survived and got taxed to death for Monsanto and big business. So comparing a German mentality to business here is apples and oranges.

Detroit is a poster child for what the American globalist corporation agenda is, serfdom. Everytime people try to get away something silly like marriage rights for gays comes up, or gun control. Yeah okay people need rights but it isnt worth arguing over in the middle of economic hyperdepression collapse. But hey, that is why Facebook was created.

All this depicts to me is the extent the homeless vagrants destroy everything in their path. Maybe they should ban the homeless.

a reply to: bbracken677
Chicago has crashed and burned. 96% unemployment, over 300 shooting a day, and over 25 deaths a day, some not reported if they are in "white" neighborhoods. The unions ran all the stores out, and Daley's bull# ran all the trade shows out.

a reply to: Matt1951I dig what you are saying, but Michigan's climate is less to be desired for rebuilding jobs. They essentially have become Cincinnatti. That place looks 4x as worse as D-Town and NOTHING came back, it all went over the river to Covington.

a reply to: Divin3F3nrus
Merriville is just as bad as Gary these days. The home invasion rate is SKY HIGH, and the unemployment has it looking as bad as Crown Point. It isn't the idyllic high end town it was in the early 90s. TRUST. The gang issue is SERIOUS and unchecked there.

a reply to: charlyv

Still got to go through the Unions and The Teamsters. Wont happen.

originally posted by: charlyv
The government could fix it. Just declare Detroit a free-from-tax district for 5 years, and big companies may even pull off-shore labor mills to get in there. A double win.

And what happens when the 5 years are up and taxes come back? They'll move out. What if Ireland gets upset at losing all the corporations they've attracted with their 0% tax rate and instead offer -1%? Should Detroit then start paying corporations to move there?

What about all the people living in Detroit? When a corporation gets a 0% tax rate, it just raises the income tax of all the people as the income still has to be generated.

Making Detroit tax free isn't a solution.

a reply to: libertytoall
Here we go, another "blame it on the homeless" rant. Tell you what, since you think the increased homeless of America keep tearing everything down in their path, we should implement a shoot on site policy every time a person loses their job. Done deal.

a reply to: Divin3F3nrus

LOL small world. I was born/bred in Gary, left when I was 26. Rather proud of the fact I actually survived it. So many didn't, crazy place. I met my really big hubby there, that helped. He barely made it out alive though. My little mom carried a german luger, she worked downtown. Had to be just as careful around the cops as the criminals. Gary jail was a hell hole.

We have family in Crown Point. When we went back we were told not to go to Gary. I wanted to see my old house. I look at it on google earth, it's still there.

Gary was fun/safe when I was a kid. We had the run of the place. Cruised Broadway when we were dating/turned around before Merrillville.

After Gary we had enough, moved to the middle of nowhere Colorado.

i wonder how much of that can be attributed to salvaging the building materiel's or just straight stealing it for scrap.

a reply to: ArchPlayer

That's interesting. We know a guy who moved here from Merrillville, he makes wisecracks about us being from Gary. Says "that's where they find dead bodies in trunks ha ha."

I'll have to give it right back. Merrillville people always thought they were better. Sad about Chicago, loved that town we had so much fun.

There's a whole extended family here from Detroit. They left en masse. We sit/reminisce about our destroyed hometowns/American dreams. Despite the bruises, we found a better one.

originally posted by: ArchPlayer
a reply to: Matt1951I dig what you are saying, but Michigan's climate is less to be desired for rebuilding jobs. They essentially have become Cincinnatti. That place looks 4x as worse as D-Town and NOTHING came back, it all went over the river to Covington.

I lived in the Cincinnati area from 1977-1984. Very scenic views, good quality of life. In the 1960s, Indianapolis adopted "Unigov" which made the entire county the city. The same could be done for Cincinnati. It doesn't eliminate the rot, but it shifts it from the downtown area. Detroit is so large geographically, this may not work for Detroit.
Michigan has a lot going for it. It has moderate temperatures (Great Lakes), access to shipping on the Great Lakes, a lot of water for industry, an excellent education system. Michigan will come back, but cars will be a smaller part of the story.

The land is worth more then the homes on it.

The banks would just love for all the homes to disappear.

They can be replaced with condos and apartments.

This has and still is happening in LA calif.

Take 4 to 6 home lots worth less then $100,000 each and level them and build 4 to 6 story condos and apartments that are worth $150,000 per unit and you make big money.

a reply to: ANNED

Detroit was selling the vacant lots for $250 if you bought the ones next to your house a few years back. My sister bought the lot next to hers so she could have a big yard. Then the owner of the Ambassador bridge bought up about 30 properties in the neighborhood to block the new bridge project. I haven't heard of anyone buying a vacant lot in years.
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A few of the companies left have bought old buildings and tore them down for additional parking space. Chas Clinic (free clinic across the street) used to have a medium building and parking for 10-15 cars. Now they have two large buildings and an entire city block of gated parking.

The closed down the neighborhood police precincts and made a "safety center" a few blocks away. That eliminated almost two blocks of rot with the building and parking space.

The "hipsters" starting buying lots and building condos a few miles away. It is a joy to see that. A little suburban utopia surrounded by Detroit. It is almost reminiscent of the Sci-Fi movies where the people live in cities and the dregs live outside the walls.

Our Downtown is being saved and for that I am thankful. We have such amazingly beautiful architecture downtown and the mansions are being renovated and lived in by retirees. I would love to see more of our churches saved (not because I am religious). Detroit attracted people from all walks of life and all faiths throughout the years. We have hundreds of cathedrals from many faiths/styles that dot our skyline. Some have restoration societies, but some will just crumple and decay. Our churches area way to know the history of our ghettos. Not the "ghetto" of thug life as we know today, but what the word used to mean and that is a big part of Detroit. Polish, Russian, Lithuanian, Croatian, Greek, Hebrew, and so many others. They came to Detroit and settled into compartmentalized neighborhoods with their own churches, restaurants, banks, and fraternal organizations.

All that is gone now and we all share the rot that is our city.