a reply to: neformore
actually did defend our freedoms
I cant agree enough. I am not trying to crap on those in uniform when I say this, so please no flaming:
The right to say that "you defend the freedoms" we enjoy is the PRIVILEGE of those who actually did. WW2 vets to name one group of an HONORED FEW.
You aren't less of a person or less worthy for not being able to honestly say it after serving, but you do cheapen it when you do. If our freedoms
weren't going to be stripped from us by an invading enemy or force, then you only have honor as a soldier in following your orders faithfully. That is
really all there is to it. Its no small thing. Its just not the most sacred service as is the real defence of our freedoms. THAT is special and
I do think giving your life as a soldier, selflessly to your people and country is one of the most honorable things you can do. No one would say
different and not be wrong as hell.
I just don't think the gulf wars were being fought to secure our peoples freedom for example. I won't crap on you for your service. All the contrary.
I do thank you for it. Just know it is BS everytime you say you "defended our freedoms". From whom Saddam? I didn't know he was even capable of
invading us and conquering us.
Cheap forms of patriotism rot our self image and form nationalism. In the process they DESTROY the worth and reality of true patriotism.
They also displace the worth of our greatest people, as these men were some of our greatest. Their struggle was GREATER. That is why they should be
honored differently and more reverently than the average person in uniform who is just following orders as a loyal and faithful soldier to his country
We arent a great country for being able to destroy other countries, or kill other peoples efficiently, or even because we "dominate" the world. That
mentality cheapens the worth of us as a people and strips us as a people of our true pride and the very real strength it can offer. Our pride in our
small towns, large cities, and all inbetween. We lose sight of the value of our greatest achievements of mind, soul, those brimming with heart, our
people and land. That is what these men were defending from oblivion.
I dont care if we have the crappiest military in the world. I would be content if we could defend our country from anyone thinking of hurting it.
I care about our ethos, our customs, our ideology, our idiosyncrasy, our wealth, our peace, and our freedom. That is what used to define the US for
example as well as our allies before superpowerdom. That is still who we are even though we have forgotten.
Great thread. Thanks.
Heros should never be forgotten.
edit on 6 6 2014 by tadaman because: (no reason given)