Scottish independence: Barack Obama backs 'strong and united' UK

a reply to: Freeborn

Agreed. I was simply being sarcastic.

Imagine the vulnerability of NATO if Scotland leaves UK.

Obama spoke for a reason perhaps .

A campaign based on on pure lies and fantasy

Alex Salmond YOURE A BIG FAT GREEDY LIAR

Thankfully most scots have had a decent education and can see through the YES campaigners lies which they get caught out on time and time again, a YES vote would see only Scotland's 1% benefit... The country would undoubtably end up in the Euro and in the toilet

originally posted by: MrSpad
Well duh, of course the US would prefer the UK remain strong and united instead of divided into less powerful states. Scotland seems to think it will jump right into NATO and the EU but, that is not a sure thing. That alone invites the US and all of NATO and the EU into the fray.

If I were the Scots I'd want nothing to do with NATO or the EU. Having a little understanding of what they desire thru independence and based on their history, I'd say they're probably on the course of steering clear of those two entities.

originally posted by: 23432

Imagine the vulnerability of NATO if Scotland leaves UK.

Obama spoke for a reason perhaps .

The yes camp play on the trident nuclear deterant with disinformation and scaremongering

They paint Scotland with a target because the UK nuclear deterrent is based in Scotland

Basically they have put up a picture "not from the UK" of a nuclear bunker storage complex and said the UK basically stockpiles them here in silos so we get hit and die rah rah rah fearporn fearporn

Not realising the UK has a submarine based nuclear deterrent and preying dumb uneducated nationalists won't know what MAD means..... Mutually assure destruction, infact the lucky ones will die first and the planet will be uninhabitable...

And then goes on to dribble how much safer Scotland will be free of nukes... Lol about as safe as anywhere else in the world when the nukes start flying, not only that but they totally ignore what just happened In Ukraine and domt even want consider how Ukraine got ram raided by Russia by giving up its nuclear arsenal and being in a tug of war between two powers

But all in all Scotland will be buzzed regularly by Russia without the UK defences and will likely be in the middle of a tug of war with the EU and the UK while Scotland deteriorates into poverty

Salmomd should be shot, he cares about 1 thing, more money for Scotland's elites and suffering for the average scot

Wake up Scotland, it's a campaign of lies based and preying on HATE money and greed

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: crazyewok

An American president is against "independence" of a nation ruled by the British throne.

Oh the irony!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Erm in 1603 when Elizabeth I died the "English" throne was taken over by a scot, namely, James VI of Scotland who also became James I of England. The parliaments remained separate for over a hundred years until the Scottish Lairds bankrupted the country (along with ordinary folk who had invested in the failed central American Darian scheme) and were bailed out by the English government. Scotland quite literally sold its independence for money.

Scots have been prime ministers, chancellor of the exchequer, deputy prime ministers etc etc ever since so to say that Scotland was ruled by "the English" is utter nonsense. Ruled "from" London maybe but no worse than the rest of the Britain. In fact since Scotland has its own parliament it has had far more autonomy than everywhere else outside of London. The Scots really need to stop whining :

Q. How do you know the plane from London to Glasgow has landed ?
A. The whining stops.

Unfortunately most Scots do not see what the real problem is and have become transfixed over the years about "the English" and failed miserably to notice that the problem lies with the very rich and powerful who ruled over these lands (all countries) since a Frenchman landed in Hastings! Independence does not solve that problem. The Duke of Hamilton will still be the Duke of Hamilton after independence. The crown estates will still be the crown estates after independence etc etc. No change to where the real power lies : land ownership.

I'm from Yorkshire and folks in the North of England have far more to bitch and complain about than the Scots.

Here's some irony : I get to vote for independence or not because I live here but I'm not scottish.

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: MrSpad
Well duh, of course the US would prefer the UK remain strong and united instead of divided into less powerful states. Scotland seems to think it will jump right into NATO and the EU but, that is not a sure thing. That alone invites the US and all of NATO and the EU into the fray.

If I were the Scots I'd want nothing to do with NATO or the EU. Having a little understanding of what they desire thru independence and based on their history, I'd say they're probably on the course of steering clear of those two entities.

Unfortunately

A YES vote would make joining the Euro far far more likely

And Scotland would need to seek NATO membership and protection or face the vultures, to my understanding the Mats are I favour of that move, that's just the reality of the world we live in today it's not brave heart times anymore the world has moved on and we're not attacking each other like idiots with swords

Not only that, but scots can seek a move away from the EU via UKIP who recently won in the European elections in the UK

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: crazyewok

An American president is against "independence" of a nation ruled by the British throne.

Oh the irony!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah and the US is ruled by Micky mouse

Seriously... Pay no attention to the tourist attractions the UK, the UK is ruled by parliament and has been for a very long time now, it's the tourism revenue that keeps them still prancing round lavish gardens like fairies

I can tel you're a bit of a... LaRouche/ David Icke conspiracy fan

Westminster has been bought and the move away from a socialist state to a capitalist state since thatcher and eroded under successive governments goes against what we believe. We just have different ideologies and we have a chance to change politics so that it better represents the people of Scotland. Who isn't fed up with politics in the UK? The decline in voter turnouts in the last 30 years shows that people are resigned to the fact that have no control over the people who run their lives.
Democracy has failed in the UK and an Independent Scotland might just be the boot England needs to take control of their own political system, because as it stands it's a failed system.

Englands 2 main industry are Aerospace and Banking, BAE are the English Aerospace industry and Banking well we know how they work for the people. So your whole economy is based on weapons of war and banksters. Good luck with that.
As a previous poster posted Scotland has a widely diverse of high tech industries and world leaders in a lot of them so I think our future's bright. As long as we get to vote on the EU situation at some point because I would rather be completely independent and setup trade, travel etc. agreements with common trading partners.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

We have a wider diversity of parties in Scotland and the reason why the SNP did so poorly in the EU elections is because of their stance on the EU.
But I have watched a lot of Alex Salmonds interviews and while he has desires to remain an EU member he has clearly stated that the Euro will never be an option. Besides this, the Scotland yes vote is not about electing SNP as the government and AS as PM. The yes vote is just about whether we want to be independent nothing else, we will vote in who we want as PM and ruling party in 2016.
But the truth is we will have more control to decide and if the SNP find that their policies are not in line with how the Scottish people think then they will be sent a clear message. You can ask the Tories about that one.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: MrSpad
Well duh, of course the US would prefer the UK remain strong and united instead of divided into less powerful states. Scotland seems to think it will jump right into NATO and the EU but, that is not a sure thing. That alone invites the US and all of NATO and the EU into the fray.

If I were the Scots I'd want nothing to do with NATO or the EU. Having a little understanding of what they desire thru independence and based on their history, I'd say they're probably on the course of steering clear of those two entities.

Unfortunately

A YES vote would make joining the Euro far far more likely

And Scotland would need to seek NATO membership and protection or face the vultures, to my understanding the Mats are I favour of that move, that's just the reality of the world we live in today it's not brave heart times anymore the world has moved on and we're not attacking each other like idiots with swords

Not only that, but scots can seek a move away from the EU via UKIP who recently won in the European elections in the UK

What benefit does NATO serve Scotland? Who would attack Scotland? What benefits would the Scots derive from being a member nation of the EU? All they will gain by joining the EU is more debt and NATO will also cost them. If I were a Scot, I'd stay clear of them both.

I'd like to see more crooked politicians wearing the Glasgow grin. Keep the whiskey coming.

a reply to: Bilk22

You make a fair point I don't disagree with but I think Nato can be a force for good, so I would prefer to retain our status within Nato, it also provides good on the ground training for our troops.

a reply to: crazyewok

I agree. Not a US isse, and Obama saying this is a slap in the face.

a reply to: Freeborn
In case you haven't noticed the guy is an idiot. WE know that ,ignore him and decide what YOU want.

Not Scottish but being of Scottish decent, I think that Obama saying that Scotland should stay in the UK is an act of desperation. The vote is close and Obama is trying to swing it, although it might have the opposite effect.

Scotland has been Englands bit$h over the years, and as a previous poster avatar, remember William Wallace.

I guess if Scotland voted to leave the world police (USA) could call the referendum illegal and blame Russia for stirring up trouble.

If Scotland leaves the UK it dosent mean it cannot apply to join NATO and to be honest, Scotland would be a shoo in.

Interestingly, overseas holders of scot passbooks cannot vote in this referendum...

Scottish people want to stay

Alex salmond is a greedy lil idiot who's only doing this for his own ends

And the scots can see this

originally posted by: crazyewok
Scottish independence: Barack Obama backs 'strong and united' uk

Barack Obama has said the interest of the US in the Scottish independence referendum issue was to ensure it retained a "strong, robust, united and effective partner"

All I can say to Obama is TAKE YOUR INTERFERING RED WHITE AND BLUE AMERICAN OPINION AND SCREW OFF!

As an American citizen, he (and the rest of Congress) should stay out of our business. Enough said...

This is a internal UK issue. NOT a American Issue. I think I speak for most Brits on here when I say the US government shove off!

Keep out and bloody stay out!

Hell I even agree its a mistake for the UK to break up. But 0bama is not a freaking UK politician and he should keep out of a persona and delicate UK issue.

Flip I can see why you Americans are so fed up of him....... least you got to elect him...we didn't.

He will be issuing his stupid red lines next.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
A campaign based on on pure lies and fantasy

Alex Salmond YOURE A BIG FAT GREEDY LIAR

Thankfully most scots have had a decent education and can see through the YES campaigners lies which they get caught out on time and time again, a YES vote would see only Scotland's 1% benefit... The country would undoubtably end up in the Euro and in the toilet

Of course Alex Salmond lies, he's a politician! Danny Alexander told a pack of lies the other week when he told us the costs of setting up and independent Scotland. He was lambasted by the author of the report he quoted because he vastly inflated some of the figures. It's just as well a Yes vote is not a vote for Alex Salmond though.

You are right in that most Scots have had a decent education (not like the two junkies used in a recent video with a Tory in Dundee but the no campaign are welcome to idiots like those) and hopefully that will allow them to realise we have been mismanaged by Westminster for too long. They will realise that Scotland paid around £800 per head last year than the UK average in tax, one of the reasons Westminster is so desperate to hold on to us they use Project Fear (a.k.a the no campaign), most Scots are intelligent enough to see through that though and momentum is behind the Yes campaign.

Truth is of the no gets it, I'm leaving the country. If I'm going to live in a country where I have no political voice (let's face it, it doesn't matter who we vote for in Scotland, the votes in London alone outnumber us) it may as well be a warmer one...

originally posted by: Reinmax
Not Scottish but being of Scottish decent, I think that Obama saying that Scotland should stay in the UK is an act of desperation. The vote is close and Obama is trying to swing it, although it might have the opposite effect.





So true. I saw this for what it was yesterday..Staged! It was a favour to Cameron. The question was asked by a BBC reporter! (nuff said!)
You don't tell a Scot what to do and expect him to fall into line. Obama did tread very carefully, I'll give him that, but of course he has an interest, it's called 'Faslane.' I will not be voting yes because of the EU issue. I do not see the point in dumping one set of bureaucracy in favour of another. People are not blind, they see what's going on over there. What independence? - Certainly killed the issue for me anyway.

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