The Myth of Eternal Damnation

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Haven't the faintest idea what you mean, old top.

By the way,

Spanish certainly wasn't around at the time of Jesus.

Latin was, though. And Norse wasn't.

The Norse word for 'church', like the English word, originally derives from Greek, not from the word Κίρκη (Circe's name) but from the word κυριακή, which means 'lord's house'.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

What a twist on words. Night is day. Light is dark. Love is a trap?

All I know is some are so trapped in this universe on lower gravity levels they seem to forget. I remember from whence I came.

The word is within your heart, your inner guidance. Your love was a pure light as a child. Either this life time or another.
Its really basic: be kind to others and also yourself, do not harm anyone.

Harm is a stone, gravity, and you sink.

Dust off all that is not pure, and love within and reclaim your childlike heart.

We ride that bike and fall off many times and need a good shower to wash off all the distortions.

Whatever is kind, good, pure, gentle, true, loving, helpful, beautiful, uplifting, tolerant, forgiving, peaceful, empowering of others, is good.

This uplifts through the layers or realms and heavens. There are many mansions in heaven.

Guilt and shame and harming others, sinks a person like a stone.

Apathy and those who maintain cold neutrality are attempting to tread water in this lower dense realm. They need to dust off their love too because cycles are designed to shake them off that neutral spot.

Love never loses anyone in the end though. Not even one.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Haven't the faintest idea what you mean, old top.

By the way,

Spanish certainly wasn't around at the time of Jesus.

Latin was, though. And Norse wasn't.

The Norse word for 'church', like the English word, originally derives from Greek, not from the word Κίρκη (Circe's name) but from the word κυριακή, which means 'lord's house'.

Yes, but eglesia is not a Latin word, it's from Koine Greek and it doesn't mean Church, but congregation, a fraternity.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

I think it means an assembly. That was the way in which the ancient Athenians used it.

The interpretation 'fraternity' may be stretching it a bit.

a reply to: Unity_99

Well the radio ain't sacred, and it's a meat-transistor in the head that gives the "inner voice" crap. Life communicated through telepathy and dance long before we designed articulation and iconography. It has nothing at all and never in a million years anything to do with Love™. You have been bred into a system with that understaning, but it's really just what you eat. You become what you eat. Any genes you devour links with your own pool of chemistry. If you eat only pork, you and your children will become more porky. It's a proven fact. Sex and love, well, it involves sharing DNA so hell yeah, it's the same thing. But it is all about digestion. Not devotion.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

I think it means an assembly. That was the way in which the ancient Athenians used it.

The interpretation 'fraternity' may be stretching it a bit.

Audience, whatever. An object for manipulation and instruction.

Like a Legion or a Fraternity.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Audience, whatever. An object for manipulation and instruction.

Like a Legion or a Fraternity.

An assembly is not the same thing as an audience. Members of an assembly can speak as well as hear.

A legion is a military unit, formed for a particular purpose. 'Fraternity' means 'brotherhood'.

If we want to think clearly, we have to be clear about what words mean. Mix up the meanings and reality can be whatever you want it to be.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

If Bad Wolf was all there was, suppose one could think that. But Nazi's and Fascists and Evil doesnt comprehend Love, Goodness, Joy, Nature, Family and all the wonderful things we have here and couldn't even begin to create the system where we can choose Goodness, because they couldn't provide those choices as there would be black and grey, at best on the tests.

Whether you consume meat or dandelions, that idea would mean you would be not just yourself. So what, your stuck unless you decide to quit eating and commit suicide? Oh, are you your body suit? Or something else? Is it just an avatar?

Again, Bad Wolf or top evil dog, isn't all there is and Love would do no such thing.

originally posted by: Astyanax
But have you thought that 'eternal' punishment could simply consist of being frozen in time, in a state of unbelievable pain and misery?

Sure. "Eternal" in the sense of "timeless frozenness" would make more sense than a state of punishment along an endless linear timeline.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Audience, whatever. An object for manipulation and instruction.

Like a Legion or a Fraternity.

An assembly is not the same thing as an audience.

That depends on who you are and what your incentives for communication are. Seeing Jesus is a speaker while also a rabbi, I chose fraternity since it is an ideal arena for that. To be part of a church (the fraternity) you must obey certain laws and comply to certain doctrines and agree to certain dogma. Churches are filled with esoteric art and the symbology is elaborate and omni-present. The Church is a Fraternity. Complete with law, secret knowledge, rituals and mystery. 99.999% of the members of a church belongs to the audience of a line of priests (the speaker).

originally posted by: Unity_99
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

If Bad Wolf was all there was, suppose one could think that. But Nazi's and Fascists and Evil doesnt comprehend Love, Goodness, Joy, Nature, Family and all the wonderful things we have here and couldn't even begin to create the system where we can choose Goodness, because they couldn't provide those choices as there would be black and grey, at best on the tests.

Whether you consume meat or dandelions, that idea would mean you would be not just yourself. So what, your stuck unless you decide to quit eating and commit suicide? Oh, are you your body suit? Or something else? Is it just an avatar?

Again, Bad Wolf or top evil dog, isn't all there is and Love would do no such thing.

After reading that, I pity you. Napoleon and Hitler were unable to love, hah? That's new. Last time I checked, old Adolf made sure that while the Russian and Allied artillery shells were detroyning the building ontop of his bunker, he married Eva Braun and he kissed her on the mouth and whispered something in her ear that made her smile. That, my friend, is love.

originally posted by: Skyfloating

originally posted by: Astyanax
But have you thought that 'eternal' punishment could simply consist of being frozen in time, in a state of unbelievable pain and misery?

Sure. "Eternal" in the sense of "timeless frozenness" would make more sense than a state of punishment along an endless linear timeline.

Yah, who would bother in the long run. Could be fun to kill Hitler over and over for a few hundred years, but I am willing to bet that after a few months you'd actually quit the savageness understanding that in fact you are just that, the savage.

originally posted by: Skyfloating

originally posted by: bigcountry08

you see the flaw in your OP right? you show no proof at all you state no facts only your opinions, also there are many versus in the bible that state hell is eternal. maybe next time before you decide to start a thread you should actually put some time into your thread.

I had sex before marriage. Another guy is a buddhist, not a christian. Another guy stole some money when he was young. Are you saying that the three of us, unless we repent, are going to be in hell forever, with no chance of ever, ever, ever coming out?

Just asking for clarification.

Are you saying you know for sure how repentance works? For a Christian, there is a recognized spiritual/religious system for that making it easy for us because we've been taught the path, but it could be that it's not that cut and dried. Repentance is, after all, about realizing how you've wronged others through your actions throughout your life and understanding that you likely, somewhere deep inside knew you were probably risking hurting someone before you engaged in that act. Sex by itself is just an action we take, but it's the implications of that act and what impact it has that can make it a sin, give it the power to cause hurt.

Repentance is apologizing on a cosmic scale, not just a local one, admitting that what you did, you shouldn't have done.

I'm not going to second guess God. He's the one who judges us all, and only He can say what is and isn't repentance and sufficient to write one's name in the book. Christians recognize that vehicle as Christ who teachings facilitate repentance and help us to recognize what we need to do and how we should act toward ourselves and others to minimize sin.

originally posted by: ketsuko
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Repentance is, after all, about realizing how you've wronged others through your actions throughout your life and understanding that you likely, somewhere deep inside knew you were probably risking hurting someone before you engaged in that act. ..........................

Repentance is apologizing on a cosmic scale, not just a local one, admitting that what you did, you shouldn't have done.


......Christ who teachings facilitate repentance and help us to recognize what we need to do and how we should act toward ourselves and others to minimize sin

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That is incorrect.....repenting(in Greek the word metanoeo) means to change your mind.Yahoshua never said the things you said.It is an extrapolation and a huge assumption.

a reply to: Rex282

And how is accepting that the things you've done in life were wrong not "changing your mind?"

You have to come to the realization that you've been doing wrong things, and doing things wrong, and change and seek forgiveness, let it go, in order to change.

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: AfterInfinity
You mean a dictatorship.

If God made everything .. and He's all powerful .. then yes, a dictatorship. Why? Did you think that, as a created organic being, that you'd have more say over what eternity is then the One Who created it and Who runs it?

Think about it ... if you don't like God then why would you want to spend eternity in His Home with Him running things? You wouldn't, right? Therefore, you'd want to be as far away from Him as possible. That's Hell. And you'd be happier there then in Heaven because you wouldn't be in Gods home with God in charge of it.

It works ...

Remember the American Revolution? That was a war fought to establish an independent nation, free of the English monarchy. How about the war in Afghanistan? That was a war against dictatorship. So lemme ask you, if we're busy fighting all these wars against monarchs and dictators, communists and Nazis, why the hell should we accept them in the afterlife? Does dying suddenly make dictatorships less oppressive, or Nazis less cruel?

Also, I edited my other post. Have a look.

Woa... war in Afghanistan was a war of aggression for profit. The whole "dictatorship" thing was a cover. Not a brilliant cover but a cover still.