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Ryland: A transgender 6 yr old; lovable, or demon-possessed?

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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: Logarock


Do you realize you have just undermined your entire "social conditioning" criticism with that comment?

No, I did not.

Look, I know you like to antagonize and argue with anyone who's not conservative. I have stated lucidly what my beliefs are, based on facts, my education (specialist), and modern knowledge. Until puberty, Ryland can comfortably stay the way he is, and he is NOT in a frame of mind, or mature enough to make any such decision now.

Same reason we chose not to have our son circumcised. He can have it done if he wants, but I was NOT going to inflict on him that mutilation without his consent. His father agreed. Our son voiced his concerns, and we discussed it with him. He visited our GP, who also talked about his concerns. He KNEW he had the freedom to decide to have it done IF HE CHOSE TO.

He chose not to.

You don't know anything about my background! So you jump in here from the hateful other thread, where I cross-referenced this information for remedial educational reasons - and rather than comment on the thread topic, you attack a small fact that his parents allowed him to have the hair-cut he wanted anyway? RYLAND SAID: "When the family dies, I will cut my hair."

When a child is born with BOTH sets of genitalia, I can see the parents and doctors making the decision during infancy. But since Ryland is not androgynous, nor ambiguous, and is otherwise, bright, confident, capable, and adamant about WHO HE IS, it is prudent to allow him to grow into himself.

For heaven's sake. Altering a child of 6 would be extremely imprudent! But letting Ryland know there are others like himself is perfectly acceptable.


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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: Logarock


In case you missed it the first two times...

No gender-related medical interventions are necessary with
young children.

The earliest a child should be referred for medical
treatment of gender dysphoria is just before the onset of puberty if
the child desires to go through a different puberty than their body
would ordinarily experience.

Puberty blocking medication can be
used to put a temporary halt on puberty and not only allow a child
to stop an unwanted puberty but also to buy the child more time
to explore gender before moving into a time when the secondary
physical effects of the puberty associated with the assigned sex of
the child take effect.

Providers can work to develop a network of
referrals including supportive and competent medical professionals,
community groups, parent support groups, and other professionals.

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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Logarock

I truly believe it!!!

Judge at our own peril!!!
Who are we to decide what's right and wrong!!!

Hitler is a Jew somewhere in Israel!!!
Abu Hamza will be an American Infidel next time round!!!

It makes too much sense in my opinion!!!

Mao is probably a "peasant" in China right now stitching Nike trainers!!!

Richard Dawkins will be a Priest!!!

I say this because I feel if we Judge someone...anyone...
We will return to walk a Mile in their Shoes!!!

I like this theory because the misogynists will return as Women...
& we need more Women...
Their plight is the hardest!!!

Tony Blair will be born into an Islamic family in Palestine!!!

Apologies for digressing, I have so much fun thinking of all sorts of extremists & where they are now, or what they will be!!!
It passes the time I guess



& Ryland can now be a spokesman for the Transgender community!!!
Our World is being shaped much better...
Less Judgement & Hate... More Tolerance & Love!!!


Oh the irony!

The Ultimate definition of the word!!!



Peace Logarock!!!



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

My last post is not to derail you thread Ma'am, I was just expressing my theory of past life's following the trend of your premise!!!

Apologies if it seemed off topic!!!

As I stated in my first post...
Definitely not Possession!!!
In fact that's quite a horrible, hate filled rant from the "ex-gay"!!!

Next time around he will be a gay transgender, & he will have to live the life he so Judged, IMO!!!

S&F btw


Peace Buzzy!!!



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I knew what you were talking about, and as I am a proponent of the reincarnation theory, I was not offended at all!
Peace back, Charlie!



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs


Oh yes LOL! Cheers.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 10:03 AM
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Ok I want to add some things that for some reason goes completely absent in these kinds of topics. Lately, for a few generations we have changed the environmental, sociologic and physiologic situation. These need to be addressed if anyone wants a real discussion. We have food and water completely bombarded with endocrine disruptors and synthetic hormones. The obvious signs are seeing little boys grow breasts (men also as is seen by all the last few years) and little girls thrust into puberty at an alarming early age. Our water supply is polluted with these. The brain is amazing. But garbage in, garbage out. Neurons that fire together stay together. Letting children be children seems to be a time long past. Now children are ideological cannon fodder due to this wonderful information age where we get to all "help" this kid. Hey look over there, is that a westboro babtist? What did he say?



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I'm glad you get it, some would mistake it for punishment...
I prefer to see it as a part of the journey to understand Creation as a whole!!!

Peace again!!!



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: manna2


These need to be addressed if anyone wants a real discussion.


What does that have to do with Ryland's very real and current situation? Yes, by all means, the effects of pollution and hormonal bombardment from food and water should be addressed. But for Ryland, it's too late. He is what he is.

You can't discuss how it is best handled, given the circumstances he and his family found themselves in?



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Since you wish to bring up so social conditioning, every last one of us is a product of society so i would argue that some conditioning might just be the ticket for this little boy given it could reshape his thinking back to normality.

After all once he is old enough to make his own decisions he is free to do as he wishes.

However im simply not convinced that a six year old child has gender issues, personally i'm thinking transference on part of his parents could quite possibly be an issue regarding transgenderism on his part.


Edit: Sorry BuzzyWigs, the above reply was directed toward you, don't know how I managed to reply to myself, then again it is Friday!
LoL
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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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some conditioning might just be the ticket for this little boy given it could reshape his thinking back to normality.

Andy. Andy, andy...he IS normal. He is WHO HE IS. He was BORN that way.

Have you ever heard the saying:
"The only normal people are the ones you don't know"

We are all unique, weird, eccentric, neurotic, and DIFFERENT. Those who identify with gender or sexual orientations that are in the minority are not "sick."
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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Normality aside if indeed there is such a thing anymore. We are all weird to some extent or another. However when I was a lad of six gender simply was not an issue or a word i had an understanding of for that matter. Seems to be the same for my own children. I wish the little lad all the best in which every walk of life he chooses to pursue. I just wonder how much of this notion is of his own creation?


As to being Demon possessed simply a non issue.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Great story I'm sure this was a decision not made quickly and they had the guts to do what was best for the child. It was a selfless thing they did for him... kudo's for that. No Not demon possessed.
Years ago I ran a afterschool/daycare program and had two brothers the oldest was always dressing up as a princess, high heels the whole nine yard and would referred to himself as a girl. his mother told me one day she caught him with lipstick and pantyhose on and was visually upset about it and embarrassed. Not ordinary parents though they were strict active duty Marines I only took care of them for a year and a half and often wonder what happened to them and how he is doing as I knew he had a tough life ahead of him. He's a teenager now and I hope he has figured it out.
Parents need to listen to their young children and love them for who they are and not what we want them to be.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Yes ma'am, I can explain. You and I both being with a hospital background, I know you'll understand. He was not a true hermaphrodite. He had full male genitailia along with a secondary opening below: a basic tiny entrance of "minute vaginal opening". This lead to a set of female internal organs. How much of a complete set Im unsure as he was himself.

It was enough that he had a hormonal imbalance and mood swings and the sloughing off of the uterine wall each month (menstration). Overall, he...in appearence and demeaner was slightly effeminate (as you can understand). I really felt for him and his problems and tried to help.

He was thrown out of more ER's and Urgent Cares than I can remember. Even the doctors and nurses couldnt believe his situation when he would say "Im on my period".

I sure hope he's alright...Im going to try and find him to see. Thank you for asking. MS



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

We are all unique, weird, eccentric, neurotic, and DIFFERENT. Those who identify with gender or sexual orientations that are in the minority are not "sick."


That's right. We're not sick, just different to the majority. Sick would indicate we are physically unwell which we are definitely not.

Ryland is neither sick, nor in need of treatment. He's just a little kid who needs love and understanding from the adult world. Letting him be who he wants to be will be doing far less psychological damage than forcing into the gender role his female plumbing infers.

That is where the true social conditioning lies- in the long hair, dresses, the pink girly room his parents set up and dollies etc etc that were given to him when he was a girl. It's us that enforce the traditional gender roles to the children. Most as in almost all of the time, there is no issue. But to every rule there is an exception and loveable, happy Ryland is one such exception.
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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 06:22 PM
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Wow, i just ran into this
govtslaves.info...
so, they have a summer camp for little boys to train them to be homosexuals?
Wowie. Heh, I remember the outcry of those abominable Christian camps where they memorize some scriptures and stuff, how it was child abuse and mind control...neurons that fire together stay together.
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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 07:05 PM
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Great thread which demonstrates just how those parents adjusted to their conditioning (which we all have and which we unconsciously use) and kept an open mind on what their little child was telling them. Their researching and dealing with Ryland's issue seems to have made little Ryland very happy and he looks right to me as a boy. I did see the idea put forward that they made the decision as Ryland was too young and might wish to change back to a girl later. I do think that if this is the case - does it matter that much? I would tend to doubt Ryland will want to change back but surely as parents we all want our children to be happy and feel confident and importantly right within themselves and within their bodies. Parents aren't just educators and home providers we are physical, and mental protectors. It seems to come down to whether we feel socially more responsible to our neighbours etc than for our children.

In some countries such as Iran, when children are born in the wrong body they are persecuted and their families dump them due to social and religious pressure - that kind of hell on earth for a child is more acceptable so people can hold their heads up high - Ryland's parents demonstrate what is good about the West and al;though they ssaid they had lost friends through their actions, true friends would have put Ryland's welfare ahead of their personal judgements.

I was interested to see that Children know their sexual orientation at around the age of 3. Although it was not an issue
I ever considered as my sons didn't question their gender, I would imagine when a child does this, its so unusual a subject for a little one to bring up that parents today, especially if families like this one get publicity to educate parents about this issue and the health services handle this issue sensitively, we could well cut down on suicide and the misery being in the wrong body has caused people in the past. In this day and age issues like this should not be the taboo many make them out to be.

I hope more parents listen to their children and this topic gets treated with the humanity and dignity it requires, not censorship, judgement and snobbery.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Hey Buzzy!

I saw this on my local news. They are certainly making an example of this kid.



Babies born with both sets of genitalia are really not as uncommon as people think.


Hehe! Just to be clear, babies are never born with two sets of genitalia unless you have conjoined twins of some sort.


What people mean when they say a person "was born with both sets of genitals" is that a child may be born with a phallus that looks a lot like a penis plus a vagina (the tubular organ that goes from the outside of the body towards the uterus, if there is a uterus). This can happen because of hormones, in conditions like congenital adrenal hyperplasia and partial androgen insensitivity syndrome.

But to say that gives you "both sets of genitals" is to pretend that somehow all that matters to males is their penises and all that matters to females in their vaginas. In fact, many of us women also care about our clitorises. (For that matter, many men care about their scrotums.)
www.theatlantic.com...


I"m not really sure how I feel about this. One one hand, I feel that the parents are pretending, and allowing their daughter to pretend, that she's not really a girl. But she is. She will go through changes that only a girl can experience.

When I was a kid, sure we rode dinosaurs to school in those days, but girls like Ryland were "tomboys" and proud of it!

I think the parents my be ahead of themselves here, in asserted this child's "malenes". She may get crushes on boys, fall in love get married and children. She may not. The future is very unclear at this point

On the other hand, the parents are showing their support for this kid, whether male or female, whether it's a phase or forever, and that's a good thing.


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posted on Jun, 7 2014 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I think they are making a mistake. A decisions like that, to begin transitioning a child that age from one sex to the other is wrong.
it should definitely be put off until after puberty, and the decision allowed around 16 with parents support, 18 without.

I mean, kids aged 6 identify with dinosaurs better than they do a defined sex. She could just be a boyish girl that has no idea of sexual identity because she hasn't gone through puberty.

Im all for individual rights, but 6 is too young to take any serious steps in transitioning someone who probably has no idea what it means. Also the eagerness of the parents suggests (as does cheer mom or coach dad) that its more about showing how open minded they are rather than what the child actually wants and how much she knows about what is to happen.



posted on Jun, 7 2014 @ 04:29 AM
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originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I think they are making a mistake. A decisions like that, to begin transitioning a child that age from one sex to the other is wrong.
it should definitely be put off until after puberty, and the decision allowed around 16 with parents support, 18 without.

I mean, kids aged 6 identify with dinosaurs better than they do a defined sex. She could just be a boyish girl that has no idea of sexual identity because she hasn't gone through puberty.

Im all for individual rights, but 6 is too young to take any serious steps in transitioning someone who probably has no idea what it means. Also the eagerness of the parents suggests (as does cheer mom or coach dad) that its more about showing how open minded they are rather than what the child actually wants and how much she knows about what is to happen.


Not everyone lacks self awareness as a child. I was born a male and always felt male. I knew exactly what male and female were and I never had the desire to be female. Children are not stupid. Anyway, they are not transitioning the child at all. Ryland is too young for that, no doctor would go along with it. What they have done is let Ryland dress as a male and label himself male. That is all. If you watch the video the child look miserable as a girl and looks very happy as a boy. It should be clear what is in the best interest of the child here. Puberty would not change what gender someone feels they are, it would just make their body more male/female.



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