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Gun Homicides Down Dramatically, Americans Unaware

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posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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The only reason Americans are lead to believe gun crime isn't down is the media.

For some strange reason, some Americans believe they don't need guns to protect themselves against any armed assailant. This includes a tyrannical gov't. For some reason, they believe the idiots that tell them the 2nd amendment wasn't made for the people's defense of their livelihood, but it was created for militias only. That type of moronic thinking stems from the very men in power that use guns to wage wars across the globe for their war on "terrorism".

It is and always will be about disarming the nation. That is the only reason there are 24/7 news stories about gun crimes. The same men who control the war machine control the media. How hard is that to see?

All throughout history, people have murdered others. Men, women and children have all been slain from a gross amount of different weapons. Spears, fire, arrows, cannons, et ct. It will happen again, and there is nothing we can do about it. Instead of running to the gov't (which only cares about votes/taxes) we need to learn how to protect ourselves and be more self reliant. Stop being scared little sheep.

Period.






posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 08:42 AM
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Post in error, sorry.
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posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Domo1

The number of households with guns is dropping.




U.S. homes with a gun has been in steady decline over the past four decades, with a surprisingly sharp drop in the South and Western mountain states. Whereas an average of 50 percent of households owned a gun in the 1970s, that number declined to 35 percent in the 2000s, with 34 percent of households reporting gun ownership in 2012

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There remains a segment of people that seem to worship guns. They are loud and proud ,clinging to a wildly irrational interpretation of the 2nd amendment. They are the ones that claim to be the good guys that will show up and shoot the bad guys -which by the way are hiding behind every bush.

IMO, People are seeing this group for what they are. Self indulgent, spiritually bankrupt, bullies. Try debating this crowd during an open carry "demonstration" and see their emotional maturity on full display.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 08:57 AM
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originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass

They are the ones that claim to be the good guys that will show up and shoot the bad guys -which by the way are hiding behind every bush.

IMO, People are seeing this group for what they are. Self indulgent, spiritually bankrupt, bullies. Try debating this crowd during an open carry "demonstration" and see their emotional maturity on full display.


You mean cops? Totally.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: eXia7

I'm pretty sure most of us who advocate for gun ownership have been telling people this for awhile now.


Why would you assume this information would support gun-ownership? I would think that these stats coupled with the fact that the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act was enacted at the end of 1993 - the beginning of the decline - is strong evidence for opposition.

I just did a quick search and found that gun-ownership dropped respectively to the chart as well:



Proportion of Households with Firearms:

2012: 34.45
2010: 32.3
2008: 36.0
2006: 34.5
2004: 37.3
2002: 36.4
2000: 34.3
1998: 36.7
1996: 43.4
1994: 44.0
1993: 45.5


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posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: Domo1

I found it interesting that the research group, according to it's own website posted the following.



Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping America and the world.

www.pewresearch.org...

Pew Research, the 3rd largest think tank in Washington DC is funded by the Pew Charitable Trusts.



The Trusts, a single entity, is the successor to, and sole beneficiary of, 7 charitable funds established between 1948-79 by J. Howard Pew, Mary Ethel Pew, Joseph N. Pew, Jr., and Mabel Pew Myrin—the adult sons and daughters of Sun Oil Company founder Joseph N. Pew and his wife, Mary Anderson Pew. Honoring their parents’ religious conviction that good works should be done quietly, the original Pew Memorial Foundation [2] was a grantmaking organization that made donations anonymously.


Wiki

While this monetary stability and backing does not mean the report is unbiased, it does give one hope the numbers are true.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: lemmin
a reply to: eXia7

I'm pretty sure most of us who advocate for gun ownership have been telling people this for awhile now.


Why would you assume this information would support gun-ownership? I would think that these stats coupled with the fact that the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act was enacted at the end of 1993 - the beginning of the decline - is strong evidence for opposition.

I just did a quick search and found that gun-ownership dropped respectively to the chart as well:



Proportion of Households with Firearms:

2012: 34.45
2010: 32.3
2008: 36.0
2006: 34.5
2004: 37.3
2002: 36.4
2000: 34.3
1998: 36.7
1996: 43.4
1994: 44.0
1993: 45.5


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Try googling "record gun sales" it's an eye opener. Obama has been a very good salesman. Interesting to say the least.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 01:40 PM
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Just a note here. These 'reported homes with guns' studies all have one serious flaw:

"Mr. Smith?"

-Yes.

"I'm calling for a survey. How many guns do you own?"

-click

dial tone



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Domo1

The way much of the media makes it sound, we should all be getting beaten and robbed on a regular basis. The gun lobby has the difficult role of portraying society as being highly unsafe (criminals and tptb) and safe (ccw, armed populace) at the same time. Lost in all that politicking and media salesmanship is the evidence that overall crime has been dropping for a long time in the western world.

The pdf you link has this >>


...and similar patterns have been noted in Northern Europe on recent years. There have been some interesting speculations that removing lead from petrol in the 80s has helped amongst other reasons like expensive alcohol.

It's more interesting to me as it cuts right through the BS politics that have come to fuel discussion on ATS. That decrease in crime isn't thanks to any colour of political party and no president can be blamed or saluted for it either. Likewise, it hasn't come about from arming everyone or gun sales because similar decreases are happening in European countries without guns.


You might be speaking of violent gun crime in Europe as European authority have been removing guns from their citizens left and right. However, crime in general has been on the rise in Europe compared to more guns in the US has actually equaled less crime. Homicides are up in the US compared to Europe for a couple of reasons. One, people have the ability to defend themselves here with lethal force and two, our statistics include individuals killed by police.

dev3.cepr.org...

Unless you can provide some statistic to refute the facts I presented, your claim is baseless.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 01:41 PM
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Violent crimes have been coming down in the usa for a while now, might need to remind the media, the president in office and the nra. Gun sales are up do.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Domo1

The one thing your article does not mention however, is the relation of the decline of gun violence to the increase in states adopting conceal and carry laws.

Now that would be interesting to compare with.... because the last many years there is also a marked increase in states that have adopted conceal and carry laws. Always following this law is a decrease in gun crimes.



posted on Jun, 7 2014 @ 04:02 PM
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Some other points to consider:

1 There has been a massive increase in the number of security cameras over the last ten years and there have also been numerous improvements in evidence collection too. In other words,, there is a far higher risk of being apprehended nowadays. Maybe crime is dropping through fear of being caught?

2 Maybe gun saturation point had been reached? I.e. The chance that a would- be-asailant has of being shot himself has significantly increased so he is less likely to risk using his gun

3 Have sentences for gun crime increased over the last ten years?

What I mean is that there are numerous factors to consider - those graphs only tell a small part of the story. It does not necessarily mean that guns are any more or less to blame than they have ever be been.



posted on Jun, 7 2014 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: lemmin

Those numbers are meaningless. They are probably proportional to the rise in single mother households. With more single mothers (who are less likely than men to own firearms), the % of households owning guns would decrease, but it doesn't mean there are less people owning guns, just more households without men due to the collapse of the American family.



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
The number of households with guns is dropping.


I don't know about that. There's a very big potential flaw in those numbers, that being the simple fact that its all based upon polling and therefore, essentially self-reporting by gun owners. Some unknown percentage certainly exists that will deny that they own them. Given widespread worries among gun owners over potential bans in recent years, that number is probably fairly significant.

For some evidence of this, look no further than the number of instant background checks being performed every year. In 2003, there were 8.4 million. Last year there were 21 million and every year in between has been a new record. So far, through May of 2014, there have been 9.4 million, so we're on pace for yet another record year. Granted, these numbers are not necessarily indicative of the number of actual firearms sold, but they are a good gauge of public interest. Obviously, that interest has been skyrocketing. And then there are the record profits of the major manufacturers. Needless to say, the public is buying a LOT of firearms, more than they ever have before. Undoubtedly, some are existing owners, but some are new owners, too.





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posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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That would be the media misleading the public from reality to sell their sensationalism.Now their just government policy line mouth pieces.



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

You need to take a look at the Illinois State Police website. Go to FOID card applications and read all about it.

There are a record amount of people here in Illinois obtaining a FOID card. It even says so. It reminds you to be patient because of the delays in dealing with so many applicants.

This is in Illinois, one of the strict gun law states.

I think your numbers are skewed a bit.



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 11:33 AM
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There is a lot of difficulty in getting accurate information concerning gun ownership in the United States, like what percentage of the population are gun owners, what demographic lines do they fall on, how many/what kinds of guns do they own, and for what purpose.
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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 09:05 PM
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Perhaps we are all slowly becoming docile due to programming and chemical's in food and or water...

Many years ago we had to fight to survive, we also could generally over all in males have lessened testosterone. Due to environmental factors, especially since the news reports almost everything seems to cause cancer!

This is somewhat satirical...



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