a reply to: Leonidas
Good analogy,however do not make it seem like the good relationship is because the RCMP do not behave the same ways as all other Police organisations
because they do in every way.
In smaller communitys where most Canadians have their first interactions with the RCMP the relationships are better because most of the illegal crimes
Police commit happen in urban areas like cities,where is is easy to cover up,remember that it is hard for a parson to hide a crime from the police
and it is impossible for the police to hde their crimes from each other.
I am a supporter of civil Policing,but not of the Blue Wall.
Until I see Police charging and imprisoning Police EXACTLY the same ways they do everyone else I will not give my 100% endorsement .
There are MASSIVE problems with the system and they ALL STEM from the refusal of the Police to Police themselves.
I see police comitting crimes on videos online ALL THE TIME and I NEVER see reply videos being posted showing that any of them have been charged for
their crimes,but I DO SEE many many other people actively pursued online.
This dynamic is self-explanatory, we expect the good Apples to bust the Bad Apples for us IMMEDIATLY,not to turn the other cheek and let us all be put
There are Police men and women reading this right now and as much as I understand the esprit de corps they know they are in the wrong if they allow
their workmates to break the laws,and if the job is to hard to do they need to find other work,if you are a Poilce person you are required to arrest
your peers when you suspect they have committed a crime,and we do not see this happening.
Everyone supports the Poilce services,we simply do NOT support the refusal of Police to arrest and charge other Police.
In the past there was no way to make this self-policing happen,with the internet it is automatic,and if no action is taken when we ALL SEE the impacts
online of Crimes committed by the Police in different areas of the world then the Police services lose support quickly and with good reason.
Lets be honest ,you cannot hide the graft anymore,if laws are broken and we all see it online we expect somthing to be done about it,so NO you cannot
bury cases anymore and you cannot support your peers who screw up on the job.
Lets also be honest in saying that if you even consider not taking action when you are a cop and you suspect another cop of crimes,you instantly
become an accessory.
For anyones reference things which happen in firefights are not what I am talking about, the police persons job is a complicated one and things can
happen fast and they must be expected to rely on conditionng which flies in the face of their natural instincts,there will always be errors in this
process we will expect and make concessions for,but get real law enforcement,when we see a 220 lb cop beat a 16 year old girl nearly to her death when
she is in custody and not a threat we want action immeditly and not only that we WANT EVERYONE WHO SLOWED DOWN ACTION CHARGED WITH THE ORIGINAL
When we see kids at rallys pusjed around and intimidated,when we see people pulled over and assaulted,when we see peoples basic rights ignored and
trampled upon ,when we see kids and old ladies and mentally challenged people with thousands of volts of electricity running through their bodies
cooking them to death from the inside out laying on the ground doing the chicken while COPS yell at them to stop moving or they will get it again,we
arent retarded and we know those people CANNOT STOP THE INVOLUNTARY MOVEMENTS,and we know the cops can legally keep applying juice for as long as
their verbal commands are not listened to,this is MURDER.
In Canada if You are walking donw a street and are asked to stop by a Policeman and you have committed no crime and tell them so,they will demand
that you stop on command,if you continue walking and ignore them or simply tell them that if you arent being arrested you are continuing on your
way,you will be met with a sequence of escalating violence ending in your death if it isnt stopped by your 100% compliance.
Do you understand this?
You will be FORCED TO COMPLY and if you do not comply to the verbal commands all levels of force up to and including your death are supported by the
Police, just refusing to stop walking can easily get you killed.
First comes the command,then your legal refusal,then another illegal command,then the Taser comes out illegally and if you dont stop drop and roll
you MAY be killed with the taser,illegally.
Police call punches to the heads of women and children "stun" tactics,they also call knees to your head face down on the pavement "tactics".
We have ALL SEEN MANY of these actions,and we are sick of it,and we EXPECT THE COPS WHO CLAIM THEY ARE GOOD APPLES TO STEP UP OR STEP BACK.
We arent blaming the bad cops because we all know there are bad Apples in every barrel,we are AIMING OUR FOCUS at the supposedly good men and women
who REFUSE to self-police,we alraedy KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEM IS.
We want prosecutors to NOT IGNORE evidences against Police,based on low likelyhood of sucess in court created by the Blue Wall they know exists,we
want those cases pushed through EVERY TIME due to the nature of the crimes being committed by persons in positions of civic trust.
I have worked at jobs where graft was deeply ingrained,and no it isnt easy,but YES it is fullfilling when you defeat that status quo and clean out all
of the arseholes and criminals who make it through the hiring process.
Just temember that you can help 1000 people as a Police man or woman and create a positive lifelong relationship with them and ONE ARSEHOLE co-worker
can break the laws and abuse a person end up online and ruin ALL OF YOUR WORK and create online literally hundreds of thousands of people who now
hate the people who are good and trying to help them.
The internet has forced you law enforcement people to all buck-up and clean house,if you cannot or will not do that then you should find a new
And please no complaining,we iunderstand you work with the worst of the worst,you know very well we are talking about abuses put upon regular
people,women and kids, these crimes are committed by Officers with behavioural emotional and psycologiogical problems,not normal healthy minds.
it has never been the Police against the people .it is the Police FOR the people,leadership needs to be re-educated and the culture within Law
|Enforcement must be changed ASAP.
It all starts by Police following the law which means your verbal commands mean squat,they are verbal requests unless you are in the process of an
arrest in which case should you be breaking the law in the process you must be accountable for that action.
If a Police person is simply asking the public for assistance then they are REQUESTING SOMETHING.
If a person is being arrested then a Police officers requests have become demands,and ONLY THE ARREST PROCESS CAN CHANGE THOSE REQUESTS INTO ORDERS
LEGITIMATELY BACKED BY ESCALATING LEVELS OF VIOLENCE UP TO AND INCLUDING DEATH.
It is law enforcement that refuses to respect the public catalysing this societal issue.
It is the courts refusal to punish police who illegally lay charges that catalyses everything,the process has intentionally been borken by the people
doing the poliing and by the people doing the prosecuting.
if there is a real and tangible consequence for illegally detaining and holding or assaulting a person and if those consequences are actioned then the
relationship between police and the public will improve dramaticlly.
But you CANNOT simply command people to obey you if they have not committed a crime because you are a law enforcement person,you are only there to
enforce laws,not give verbal commands outside of that action.
So YES this means I can tell a cop to take a hike to their face if I have committed no crime and am not being arrested and do not wish to assist,and
even if they dont like it they have to buck it up and back off ASAP,but ha ha ha if you try that in Canada you will end up at the least roughed up or
tazed and possibly dead due to the accepted policy of escalating violence by the police.
In short the police engage this escalating level of force up to and including death to support illegal actions all the time,stopping a person and
making a verbal command that CAN be backed up with escalating levels of violence up to death instead of a request for assistance when an ARREST IS
NOT IN PROGRESS is a crime,and you cannot just arrest now and let the courts settle it later as is being done.
In short no one really has to listen to a police officer if they have not committed a crime and are not being arrested for one,everything else is
I support the Police and am happy they found a way to end this situation with no further deaths,now we can let the system do its job and allow society
and those families to get the closure they require.
I have faith in the system,I know there are more good than bad apples in the barrell.In todays world things are beginning to self-police,things are
being forced in a better direction,sooner or later the leadership of Police forces will see that times have changed and we will see improvements over
traditional methods which are now being exposed enmasse online every day.
The internet has now policed the police and now it is up to the people to pressure their politicians to change the courts so that the people exposed
by the internet ARE PROSECUTED FULLY AND COMPLETELY EVERY TIME,THERE IS NO WINDOW OF OOPRTUNITY TO NOT DO THIS ANYMORE,simply because everyone is
watching now and nothing can be easily covered up.
The good apples need the court system to help them get rid of the bad apples,so now people need to ask for that to happen.
The good cops need the people AND the court system to supprt them now that times are changing and WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO START MAKING IT HAPPEN.