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American Soldiers: Beware, you are only a hero if you are a right wing christian

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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 04:44 AM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: kruphix

I agree. The worst part is, even in the best case senerio the decision to swap prisoners was questionable. So no need to make him worse then he is to criticize Obama. Doing so makes someone look dishonest.


McCain's situation was different from Bergdahl's. I don't know how else to explain it to you. McCain was tortured and captured. Bergdahl allegedly walked into enemy hands on purpose.




posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 04:45 AM
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a reply to: kruphix

He wasn't a prisoner. He left of his own accord and went to seek the Taliban to join them and become a bargaining chip for 5 terrorists, plus the soldiers who died trying to find him. This isn't about politics. This is about an American who joined the military and made an oath to preserve the U.S. Constitution and to fight for the American people. Yet he chose to join the enemy instead, and soldiers who were parents, brothers and husbands were killed because of this man...

You want to talk about hatred towards Americans who dare to have a different opinion in politics than the leftwingers have?... Your President and his administration have branded Americans who love the U.S. Constitution and want to defend it as "possible extremists"... There are reports from the DHS, and even West Point from LEFTWINGERS claiming that any American who dares have a different view in politics than leftwingers are dangerous extremists...


Napolitano is Lying to Americans About Her Department’s Rightwing Extremism Report; TMLC Files Suit

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Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Law Center stated, “Janet Napolitano is lying to the American people when she says the Report is not based on ideology or political beliefs. In fact, her report would have the admiration of the Gestapo and any current or past dictator in the way it targets political opponents. This incompetently written intelligence assessment, which directs law enforcement officials across the country to target and report on American citizens who have the political beliefs mentioned in the report, will be used as a tool to stifle political opposition and opinions. It will give a pretext for opponents of those Americans to report them to police as rightwing extremists and terrorists. You can imagine what happens then.”

The Report specifically mentions the following political beliefs that law enforcement should use to determine whether someone is a “rightwing extremist”:

Opposes abortion
Opposes restrictions on firearms
Opposes lax immigration
Opposes the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
Opposes continuation of free trade agreements
Opposes same-sex marriage
Has paranoia of foreign regimes
Fear of Communist regimes
Opposes one world government
Bemoans the decline of U.S. stature in the world.
Upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India
. . . and the list goes on


The lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan on behalf of nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show host, Michael Savage, Gregg Cunningham (President of the pro-life organization Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, Inc (CBR)), and Iraqi War Marine veteran Kevin Murray. The Law Center claims that Napolitano’s Department (DHS) has violated the First and Fifth Amendment Constitutional rights of these three plaintiffs by attempting to chill their free speech, expressive association, and equal protection rights. The lawsuit further claims that the Department of Homeland Security encourages law enforcement officers throughout the nation to target and report citizens to federal officials as suspicious rightwing extremists and potential terrorists because of their political beliefs.

www.thomasmore.org...


A West Point think tank has issued a paper warning America about “far right” groups such as the “anti-federalist” movement, which supports “civil activism, individual freedoms and self-government.”

The report issued this week by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., is titled “Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right.”

The center — part of the institution where men and women are molded into Army officers — posted the report Tuesday. It lumps limited government activists with three movements it identifies asa racist/white supremacy movement, an anti-federalist movement and a fundamentalist movement.

The West Point center typically focuses reports on al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists attempting to gain power in Asia, the Middle East and Africa through violence.

But its latest study turns inward and paints a broad brush of people it considersfar right.

It says anti-federalists espouse strong convictions regarding the federal government, believing it to be corrupt and tyrannical, with a natural tendency to intrude on individuals civil and constitutional rights. Finally, they support civil activism, individual freedoms, and self government. Extremists in the anti-federalist movement direct most their violence against the federal government and its proxies in law enforcement.

The report also draws a link between the mainstream conservative movement and the violentfar right,” and describes liberals as future oriented and conservatives as living in the past.
...


Read more: www.washingtontimes.com...
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

Leftwingers continue to forget and ignore the fact that conservatives, Republicans, and other people who want the government to protect and defend our U.S. Constitution and to abide by it are REGULAR AMERICANS... And there are millions of us yet leftwingers are branding every one of us as "rightwing extremists" because we dare to have a different opinion than leftwingers...

You got it all wrong. The hatred is being sewn by leftwingers who don't want Americans to have a different opinion in politics, or different moral values... We have an administration that is forcing Americans to pay for abortion of other women even when it goes against the beliefs of millions of Americans...






edit on 6-6-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: errors.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 05:30 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: crazyewok




An unlawful combatant who is not a national of a neutral State, and who is not a national of a co-belligerent State, retains rights and privileges under the Fourth Geneva Convention so that he must be "treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial".[

Seems that Afghanistan nationals should get trials.



The statement of "in case of trial" means that if there is a trial it should be a fair trial, it does not mean they get a trial anytime soon. During war you can hold someone pretty much the duration of the war, but at some point after the war they will need to be released or given a fair trial based on their status.

The murky part is you can say the "war on terror" and that kind of makes it never ending.


Ok maybe its a option.
And I say that a country that supposidly values feedom should offer open fair trials.

That would show the world you have the moral high ground.

But you dont, you inflict tyranny on others.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 06:38 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok


Ok maybe its a option.
And I say that a country that supposidly values feedom should offer open fair trials.

That would show the world you have the moral high ground.

But you dont, you inflict tyranny on others.


I know you are trying to make point that the USA needs to be better, and I agree, I also agree that every country needs to be better. America is not some angel in shinning light, we have our good points and we have our bad points and I always like to think our good points have outweighed our bad points.

Maybe so, maybe not



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 07:05 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

It's clear who is trying with all they have to rule this nation with an iron fist... and its time to stop it in its tracks.

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” – Voltaire

the opposite of that is, watch who IS being criticized and you know who is at the bottom of the heap. It is against the law to criticize anyone but who has typically run this country.

There is a huge power struggle in this country for who will win it's control.... I say fight to the death. I'm damn sure not willing to let the socialists or communists win.
edit on 6-6-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 07:16 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: crazyewok


Ok maybe its a option.
And I say that a country that supposidly values feedom should offer open fair trials.

That would show the world you have the moral high ground.

But you dont, you inflict tyranny on others.


I know you are trying to make point that the USA needs to be better, and I agree, I also agree that every country needs to be better. America is not some angel in shinning light, we have our good points and we have our bad points and I always like to think our good points have outweighed our bad points.

Maybe so, maybe not


Thank you, I think you get my point.

As for the sake of bias the Uk is equally the same, it needs to do better, a lot better.
As this was a US thread I didnt want to go off topic with UK issues.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: crazyewok




An unlawful combatant who is not a national of a neutral State, and who is not a national of a co-belligerent State, retains rights and privileges under the Fourth Geneva Convention so that he must be "treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial".[

Seems that Afghanistan nationals should get trials.



The statement of "in case of trial" means that if there is a trial it should be a fair trial, it does not mean they get a trial anytime soon. During war you can hold someone pretty much the duration of the war, but at some point after the war they will need to be released or given a fair trial based on their status.

The murky part is you can say the "war on terror" and that kind of makes it never ending.


Ok maybe its a option.
And I say that a country that supposidly values feedom should offer open fair trials.

That would show the world you have the moral high ground.

But you dont, you inflict tyranny on others.


Although I am not opposed to open and fair trials, how would you protect the America's ability to gather intelligence on suspected terrorist and keep it from getting back to other Taliban members during discovery? You do realize the mountain of evidence and top secret information the defense would be privy to. Also how would we deal with witnesses? How do you protect their identity? The sensationalized public event of a fair and open trial could take years and years, I could see the defense calling retired generals, the president, etc. and under our system of justice for the citizenry they would have the right to. I can't think of a good way for it to go, and of course this is only a few of the reasons they have gitmo.

I would think the way the world works this would be the last batch to be tried. There would never be a trial again, they would all die in combat if you know what I mean. No torture, imprisonment, interrogation, just death, take no prisoners. This is pretty much the way the Taliban and Al Queda operates, and why the Bergdhal thing is interesting why did he get a free pass? If you can cut the head off of Daniel Pearl and post it on the net, thats not much of a trial for anyone let alone a dangerous journalist.

Just my 2 cents.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 08:16 AM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE


I got an excellent question for everyone.. Might make a thread.


If a guy spends years being a great soldier. Then mentally snaps and deserts, is he a hero or a traitor?

Compared to anyone who hasn't fought a war I say he's a hero.


Compared to those who never stopped fighting. He's a coward.


Either one. One could assume that if he "just snaps" he was not in his right mind and thus would not necessarily be a traitor. If he willfully helped the enemy, he would, but I'd suggest that if he snapped and walked off , he probably wasn't.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 08:34 AM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
I quite agree he is no hero. He's a deserter, and should be tried as such. That no such trial has been announced means the only logical reason for him to be brought back is so he can spy for the enemy, with the full approval of the current administration. Considering the support for the Muslim Brotherhood and Taliban, and the aiding in overthrowing leaders of various countries (including an ally in the case of Egypt), nothing he does would surprise me any longer.




LMAO!! Why would Obama let him in to spy when..... Wait for it........he could just tell them himself! :p


You have a point there.
Still, he could do a lot of harm in a unit, after declaring he's the enemy. Remember Ft. Hood? Even if not used for anything else, the guy declared himself an enemy, and should be court-martialed immediately.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: jldjmd
On a side note,all of you liberal protectors of Islam who ignore the atrocities committed in the name of allah,like torture, murder, and rape across Syria,Africa and the majority of the middle east every single day, you`ll remember your virulent hatred of Christianity and the inhumane way you destroyed a lot of good people with regret, because the Muslims will kill all of the gays and destroy all non conformists. But for now continue to feel good about destroying a family business because they didnt want to bake you a cake.


So would the Christians if they were allowed to.

People seem to forget, it was just a short time ago that Christianity was the most vile, hateful, and violent sect of religion on this planet. The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Salem Witch Trials. You should re-read the bible and see how much rape, torture, and death there is in there done in the name of God (which by the way is the same deity as Allah).

The thing is, I don't blame Christians or Muslims for the atrocities...I blame extremists who use whatever means they can to influence people into doing horrible things.

You sir, are brainwashed into hating a group of people you don't even know.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: kruphix

I agree. The worst part is, even in the best case senerio the decision to swap prisoners was questionable. So no need to make him worse then he is to criticize Obama. Doing so makes someone look dishonest.


McCain's situation was different from Bergdahl's. I don't know how else to explain it to you. McCain was tortured and captured. Bergdahl allegedly walked into enemy hands on purpose.


But we know that McCain aided the enemy.

But you can keep making excuses.

And I agree, it is totally different...with McCain we know for a fact he aided the enemy, he admits it. With Bergdahl, it is all alleged and accusations at this point.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


He wasn't a prisoner. He left of his own accord and went to seek the Taliban to join them and become a bargaining chip for 5 terrorists


And you know this how?????

Oh right, Fox News has said so...because six soldiers in his battalion out of hundreds said so.

Forgive me for wanting to wait to see all the facts and let him go to trial before passing judgment.


You got it all wrong. The hatred is being sewn by leftwingers who don't want Americans to have a different opinion in politics, or different moral values


Yes, the left is hateful because we demand that you can't post a sign on your store window that says "We don't serve fags" or "Black people not welcome" or "No Muslims Allowed".

Yes...we are so hateful because we don't want Americans to have THOSE different opinions.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB


“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” – Voltaire

the opposite of that is, watch who IS being criticized and you know who is at the bottom of the heap. It is against the law to criticize anyone but who has typically run this country.


So, who is it against the law to criticize???

I am very interested in this line of thought you have.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: kruphix
I have seen the videos, and there are many of them, of Muslims cutting the heads off of people that have their hands tied behind their backs. One was Daniel Pearl, a journalist. Others have been some of their fellow Muslims.

How do you justify these acts?
Who is brainwashed?



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: kruphix
I have seen the videos, and there are many of them, of Muslims cutting the heads off of people that have their hands tied behind their backs. One was Daniel Pearl, a journalist. Others have been some of their fellow Muslims.

How do you justify these acts?
Who is brainwashed?



Sorry, but we lost all moral high ground when we started torturing prisoners ourselves.

I don't justify those acts, but I don't blame Islam for it to create a bogey man for everyone to fear and hate. I blame the individuals that did it, and I blame the extremists leaders for USING Islam to coerce these people into thinking it is the right thing to do. Just as I blame the individuals who did the torture and the leaders (Bush and Cheney in this case) in using "terrorism" to justify torturing people.

And still, people who are now using Islam to convince people to commit atrocities does not erase the fact that Christianity had a monopoly on that only a few hundred years ago.

Neither religion is innocent...so when people act like one is superior over the other, I tend to call it out as the BS it is.

If you indeed believe that one is superior to the other (morally or theologically), then you are brainwashed no matter what side you fall on.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 10:08 AM
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Sorry, but we lost all moral high ground when we started torturing prisoners ourselves.

What's this 'we' crap?
I don't torture people.
I don't cut the heads off of defenseless individuals with a pocketknife while shouting 'Allahu Ahkbar' and reading sections of the Koran.
There seem to be plenty of Muslims out there that do... check it out, do a google search. Just look at how many of those beheading videos are out there. It is alarming.
Blame it on politics if you want to stick your head in the sand, but these are individuals cutting the heads off of other living human beings with pocketknives. Since they are shouting their praises to Allah while they do it... I tend to think that they are doing it to please their god.
Another point is that they seem to be quite proud of what they are doing. They make videos of their acts.

I don't do that crap, so I do hold some moral high ground, thank you. I also don't make excuses for those that do.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: jldjmd
On a side note,all of you liberal protectors of Islam who ignore the atrocities committed in the name of allah,like torture, murder, and rape across Syria,Africa and the majority of the middle east every single day, you`ll remember your virulent hatred of Christianity and the inhumane way you destroyed a lot of good people with regret, because the Muslims will kill all of the gays and destroy all non conformists. But for now continue to feel good about destroying a family business because they didnt want to bake you a cake.


So would the Christians if they were allowed to.

People seem to forget, it was just a short time ago that Christianity was the most vile, hateful, and violent sect of religion on this planet. The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Salem Witch Trials. You should re-read the bible and see how much rape, torture, and death there is in there done in the name of God (which by the way is the same deity as Allah).

The thing is, I don't blame Christians or Muslims for the atrocities...I blame extremists who use whatever means they can to influence people into doing horrible things.

You sir, are brainwashed into hating a group of people you don't even know.


I am pretty much letting this one go before the top of my head comes off.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: kruphix

I agree. The worst part is, even in the best case senerio the decision to swap prisoners was questionable. So no need to make him worse then he is to criticize Obama. Doing so makes someone look dishonest.


McCain's situation was different from Bergdahl's. I don't know how else to explain it to you. McCain was tortured and captured. Bergdahl allegedly walked into enemy hands on purpose.


But we know that McCain aided the enemy.

But you can keep making excuses.

And I agree, it is totally different...with McCain we know for a fact he aided the enemy, he admits it. With Bergdahl, it is all alleged and accusations at this point.


The difference is, McCain's heroism can be debated, whereas, Bergdahl's heroism is non-existent and there's no debate.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
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Yes, the left is hateful because we demand that you can't post a sign on your store window that says "We don't serve fags" or "Black people not welcome" or "No Muslims Allowed".

Yes...we are so hateful because we don't want Americans to have THOSE different opinions.



Perhaps if you would have read the fact that children from the region saw the soldier on the mud, crawling away from the U.S. base and acting strangely... Perhaps if you have read that people who live in the closest town stated that the soldier asked if anyone spoke English and that he wanted to meet the Taliban, maybe then you might understand why I am saying that he is a deserter... But obviously you didn't bother to read those reports.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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Most of it was before ELECTRICITY so we are discounting it as a factor,We have BANKERS who do it now.



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