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American Soldiers: Beware, you are only a hero if you are a right wing christian

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posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

BS.

Bergdahl is a deserter.

As a soldier in the US Army I find him despicable.

He violated his general orders. Specifically General Order 1

1st General Order
"I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post only when properly relieved."

He actively sought to separate himself and seek out the Taliban.

He IS a traitor.


Don't presume to speak for the Army or any soldiers. We are capable of doing that ourselves. In this very case not ONE soldier from his battalion to his platoon has stood up for him. You wonder why? Does that not give you pause long enough to ascertain whether your political whining stands up to facts? I hope that little dbag spends the rest of his days ACTUALLY imprisoned. In Fort Leavenworth.




posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 08:19 PM
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Some people have nothing better to do than bad mouth Americans. I honestly believe and know any service person who shows absolute above average bravery no matter what religious belief he or she has would still get the accolades they deserve. There are millions of people every year applying to be US citizens. It must not be such a bad place. The millions of believers in god that are not Christians living in the US would be happy to disagree with you.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 08:30 PM
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Anyone who has ever been in the military knows it is not a job you can simply just "walk off" on.

The guy desserts. Actually looks for the Taliban, wants to join them. Add traitor and turncoat.

I kinda see both sides. Trading him for 5 deadly psychotics who will likely kill again seems like a huge mistake. He needs to be punished for his actions, so a nice smart bomb or drone strike on his cave, problem solved. No need to let dangerous men free.

On the other hand, leaving him with the enemy was dangerous. All the stuff he could tell them and show them, the intel, better he be dragged home in chains.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

His platoon leader didn't stand up for him, but he did give a fair and down the middle opinion.

He said he was a good soldier who saw some things that made him become disillusioned with the war effort. Then took off from a sense of wanderlust.

I think his fellow soldiers are mad because his weakness lead to the deaths of others. Not because he's a traitor. A deserter and a traitor are two different things. If he planned on joining the fight on the other side. He takes his gear with him to use against America.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb


Allegations are irrelevant. If they were serious, as you say, he would have had to stand trial, which he didn't.


Same goes with Bergdhal then I guess...right???



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

He was promoted to Sergeant in absentia two years after his capture.

Do they usually do that for those they consider deserters and traitors???



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: projectvxn

He was promoted to Sergeant in absentia two years after his capture.

Do they usually do that for those they consider deserters and traitors???



TIG, TIS, it's automatic.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: smithjustinb


Allegations are irrelevant. If they were serious, as you say, he would have had to stand trial, which he didn't.


Same goes with Bergdhal then I guess...right???



No. This event just happened. McCain's event happened years ago and the opportunity to try him has come and gone, and for good reason. Bergdahl is facing an imminent possibility and likelihood of a trial.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: projectvxn

He was promoted to Sergeant in absentia two years after his capture.

Do they usually do that for those they consider deserters and traitors???



Uh oh...guess he's not a Sergeant anymore, as of 5 hours ago according to NBC...



Bowe Bergdahl Loses Automatic Promotion to Staff Sergeant
By Courtney Kube and Daniel Arkin

Bowe Bergdahl will no longer be automatically promoted to staff sergeant later this month now that he is back in the hands of the U.S. military, senior officials said.

The freed soldier will have to compete for his next promotion like all other sergeants in the Army, according to senior U.S. military officials.

Bergdahl, who was held by the Taliban for five years before he was released to U.S. forces in exchange for five Taliban commanders, was a Private First Class when he went missing in 2009. He was automatically promoted twice while in captivity. He was promoted to the rank of specialist in June 2010 and then sergeant in June 2011.

If he was still in captivity, he would have automatically been promoted again within a couple of weeks.

www.nbcnews.com...


IF you want to find out how he got promoted in the first place...you'll have to read the article...

Des



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: smithjustinb


Allegations are irrelevant. If they were serious, as you say, he would have had to stand trial, which he didn't.


Same goes with Bergdhal then I guess...right???



No. This event just happened. McCain's event happened years ago and the opportunity to try him has come and gone, and for good reason. Bergdahl is facing an imminent possibility and likelihood of a trial.


It's cute how you have different rules in order to maintain your intellectual dishonesty.

McCain wasn't tried because Nixon pardoned all returning POWs.

But still, if allegations are irrelevant in one case until it goes to trial and proven, it should be the same for every case. Unless of course you are intellectually dishonest and have different rules to confirm your own bias.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: Destinyone


Uh oh...guess he's not a Sergeant anymore, as of 5 hours ago according to NBC...


Maybe you should read the article.

He is still a Sergeant, just not getting a promotion to Staff Sergeant.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

I agree. The worst part is, even in the best case senerio the decision to swap prisoners was questionable. So no need to make him worse then he is to criticize Obama. Doing so makes someone look dishonest.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 09:17 PM
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He'll be stripped of everything when he is court martialed...


Maybe Obama will adopt him, make him an heir to his Kingdom...he already speaks fluent Pashto.

Des



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

So what?

Based on the facts of his disappearance he should never have been given the status of an NCO.

You won't hear me ever calling that turd Sergeant or standing at parade rest for him.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

I think it's safe to assume you never served in the US military? I think if you had you might understand a little better why many people feel so strongly about this.

Those of us that have know that you must be able to trust and rely on your fellow soldiers to watch your back. Someones negligence can get you killed. Even though I didn't serve during war time, this was still true in my environment (submarine). A single person could compromise the mission (nuclear missile launch), or even sink the sub. We had a guy that cracked and he was immediately relieved of all duties and put on a round the clock suicide watch - within 24 hours we surfaced and a helicopter took him off the sub.

I think pretty much everyone that served knew that if you wanted out of the military it really wasn't that hard do, especially in a war zone. He could have said he became a conscientious objector and I bet they would have taken his weapon and relieved him of duty on the spot... No reason to walk away and put others in jeopardy. I can understand that war is hell and some people can't handle it - but there were better ways he could have handled it.

Now, with him mailing his personal belongings home, the strange Tweets from his father, father praising Allah and sympathizing with the Taliban, something is just off here. No Christian I know would be praising Allah or sympathize with the people that (supposedly) captured and held their son prisoner for 5 years... Almost seems like something was coordinated between father and son in advance. One article I read said Bergdahl ordered Rosetta Stone for Arabic, Pashto, and one other local language. On the surface this seems like a good idea to have some knowledge of the local languages, but in this case I question his motivation for this.

The Obama administration DID break the law in releasing these 5 prisoners, there is no question of that. But he's done it quite a bit over the years and bet nothing happens as usual. If I was an ACTUAL captive of the Taliban, I wouldn't want to be the reason 5 Taliban leaders were released...

How about all the problems with the VA? Nobody seems to care about that anymore...



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

He's an American traitor. He deserted. Bottom line. Not only did he desert, but he also divulged information to the enemy. He is no hero and since I don't believe in the death penalty, even though people died trying to get him back, I still think he should be put in prison for the rest of his life for turning HIS back on HIS country.



posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 10:50 PM
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originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Ya know, I'm all about pointing out the hypocrisy of the hardcore Right.....but in this case they may be correct in their critisizm.

He deserted his post, said he was renouncing his citizenship and was going to fight for the other side.

To me, that sounds like he didn't want to be an American soldier anymore.

So why would Obama trade him for enemy prisoners? It doesn't make sense to me.


I quite agree he is no hero. He's a deserter, and should be tried as such. That no such trial has been announced means the only logical reason for him to be brought back is so he can spy for the enemy, with the full approval of the current administration. Considering the support for the Muslim Brotherhood and Taliban, and the aiding in overthrowing leaders of various countries (including an ally in the case of Egypt), nothing he does would surprise me any longer.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 12:25 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok


Pardon but the SAS taught us MOST of it we didn't learn from our enemies.wet ,messy,conversations we used to use in the 80s when we were running all of our secret ops down south. It works fine.As mentioned however it is rude.Thus I say kill.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Ya know, I'm all about pointing out the hypocrisy of the hardcore Right.....but in this case they may be correct in their critisizm.

He deserted his post, said he was renouncing his citizenship and was going to fight for the other side.

To me, that sounds like he didn't want to be an American soldier anymore.

So why would Obama trade him for enemy prisoners? It doesn't make sense to me.


I quite agree he is no hero. He's a deserter, and should be tried as such. That no such trial has been announced means the only logical reason for him to be brought back is so he can spy for the enemy, with the full approval of the current administration. Considering the support for the Muslim Brotherhood and Taliban, and the aiding in overthrowing leaders of various countries (including an ally in the case of Egypt), nothing he does would surprise me any longer.




LMAO!! Why would Obama let him in to spy when..... Wait for it........he could just tell them himself! :p



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 04:26 AM
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I gather from the political rhetoric you`re throwing around like "right wingers" and "fox news zombies",etc. etc. that your opinion is also tainted via ideological fervor.You say that it`s because he`s not a right wing christian is the only reason people are up in arms.Are you really that narrow minded? Do the facts mean nothing to you?
On a side note,all of you liberal protectors of Islam who ignore the atrocities committed in the name of allah,like torture, murder, and rape across Syria,Africa and the majority of the middle east every single day, you`ll remember your virulent hatred of Christianity and the inhumane way you destroyed a lot of good people with regret, because the Muslims will kill all of the gays and destroy all non conformists. But for now continue to feel good about destroying a family business because they didnt want to bake you a cake.




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