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My personal view is denying someone the basic right of legal marriage is homophobic.
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: buster2010
Whether the person is straight or not is irrelevant. He would deny it simply because he said that same sex marriage is against his faith. A business in Colorado cannot use faith as a reason to deny service to a person because it is discrimination.
What???? How do you make that into a discrimination?
Ok, what if a KKK member comes in and requests a cake for KKK wedding? What then? Must he be FORCED to make for them? Must he be forced to take sensitivity classes to understand KKK's ways?
It depends on what cake they want. If they want a cake with a burning cross on it, not the baker does not have too because that is hate speech and that is not only illegal but is not protected by the Constitution.
In Colorado, he has to make the cake for you whether you are straight or gay. Doesn't matter. He can't discriminate based on sexual orientation.
originally posted by: nixie_nox
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
I hate to bust your bubble but if you start doing services with the public, you are subject to Federal laws. Federal laws prevent any business from conducting discrimination.
The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."
if the baker has a problem servicing certain portions of the population, than he should not have become a public business.
He can make cakes for his Christian friends from his house.
originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
Really? So no one ever protested when homosexuals were told their behavior could be changed by therapy? I seem to recall a lot of protest over that. How is that wrong, and this right?
The baker didn't refuse to make anything for them; he simply stated he couldn't make a wedding cake for them, because that would make him a participant in something that is against his religious beliefs.
Services, sure. Services specifically supporting an event that is against one's religion? That's where I draw the line.
I wouldn't expect a gay bar to host a Bible study, either.
Being respectful of one another means we have to respect beliefs, too, and not demand that everyone agree with us.
I have heard of many other similar lawsuits.
Other bakers told they had to bake wedding cakes for homosexual weddings
photographers told they had to take photos at such a wedding,
bed & breakfast owners told they had to accept homosexual couples, even when the B&B is in their HOME.
That's forcing someone to accept beliefs as much as is the 'sensitivity training".
I honestly can't understand why someone would want a baker of photographer helping with their wedding that thought the wedding was wrong, anyway.
The fact that he was ruled against in a lawsuit would seem to indicate that having rights is undeniable, but Americans can now be held legally accountable for exercising their rights. Seems a bit unconstitutional, no? What good are rights if they cannot be freely exercised?