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originally posted by: drivers1492
a reply to: Woodcarver
I do understand your position and let me answer your question plainly. The punishment is (depending on your personal interpretation) damnation or death(spiritual death).
The problems this particular school is having isn't based on religion being banned from school, btw it isn't, but the school is a step outside it's legal limits by supporting it. If it were actually banned then a student would not be allowed to pray on school grounds publicly. If you did take the time to read the letter from the aclu you would find that your assertion of "banned" isn't correct. So while I personally don't have issue with the plaque the law does. So your left with a majority of the counties population feeling that the law is wrong in that respect. Whether or not you personally feel it is nonsense they do not and should in my opinion stand up for what they feel is right.
Morality needs no threat to be taught I agree, but one cannot deny the contributions of various religions throughout history. Good and bad contributions I doubt anyone actually argues that point but what seems to be the trend is to only look at the negative aspect of faiths. That is sad to me.
Atheist/agnostic whatever my label is I will stand with the kids of the school in whatever they feel is right. If they choose to sing and pray I will stand with them.
1. Ex. 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
2. Lev. 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.
3. Ex. 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
4. Ex. 21:15: He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
5. Ex. 21:17: He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
6. Ex. 22:19: Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
7. Lev. 20:13: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.
8. Lev. 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.
9. Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be ******.
10. Mal. 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, ... behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.
originally posted by: drivers1492
a reply to: Woodcarver
Your speaking of christians that don't follow old testament law. There is nothing in the new testament that tells them to do harm to others or kill the unbeliever your being dishonest in your argument. While it's common for them to pull something to support their dislike of a lifestyle choice from the old testament your going to find it hard to put forward a local church preaching they way your portraying here. I'm not implying that they don't exist but none that I am aware of in my area and my parents were born and raised here. You see this whole conversation isn't about a blanket coverage of the nation in some respects, it simply about the people here. Situations, people and circumstances are different everywhere and one must evaluate each accordingly. Religion has had some serious stains in its history and it does hamper some in their development if exposed to the more extreme side of adherence but people's ideas and acceptance of it are changing. It's slow getting away from but I see it all the time. More and more young people realizing it's their personal faith that is all they need to concern themselves with because the church is teaching them that it's ok for people to be different and worship different. As far as not liking someone for whatever reason.....that's your right as a human being.
The references at the bottom about hitler and the others, I've not honestly had much interaction with anyone that thought highly of them so I would be dishonest to give an opinion.
Will I go to church and tell them of the atrocities? No, it's not my place to infringe on someone's house of worship. It would be disrespectful of me to do so.
I'm aware of the location of the both sets of commandments.
I am also aware of the teachings of jesus and his words on the ot law.
I suppose I'm at a point I actually have to ask this. Do you actually know what and how churches on the whole teach these things? Do you know outside of extremes what is taught? Your making literal assertions of things that no church I have encountered believes. I mean no disrespect by asking the above but everything your throwing out is not common adherence of christians and the only time I encounter it is when someone simply wants to toss out things they have read opinions of by other atheists and youtube.
The theology and doctrine taught by the church aren't what your claiming.
And the christian doctrine doesn't condone murder, theft, rape and abuse.
The only stand you have in that argument is slavery, which you pointed out the bible stories are a product of their time in which slavery was a part of life.
I'm not sure what physics has to do with the conversation so I will leave that section alone.
do you mean to say that the bible, old and new testament are not the books that the christian church was founded on? Where, if not the bible, do these people get their information from?
Do you not understand how even a basic knowledge of physics, or germ theory, or psychiatry could affect this conversation? Do you believe sickness is cured by faith alone? Do you think water can be turned into wine without fermentation? Do you believe people can walk on water, disappear into mist, converse with snakes, bushes, donkeys, raise from the dead by the thousands, do you still think physics isn't relevant to this convo?
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Well im glad you don't deny that even what people call peaceful religions cause harm. But this is not what is taught in these instances. It's actually very one sided. The omissions are grand and what they do claim to be true is either been shown to be false or simply are unprovable. You will never go to church and hear the pastor or priest teaching you in detail the horrible practices of that churches religion. Can you be honest and list some of the negative ideas, actions, and situations that arise from reading the plain words written in any abrahamic texts and sanctioned by their respective churches in the past and the present? Or maybe even how it teaches segregation, slavery, punishment, torture, discrimination, caste system, murder of gays and any non believers, other silly rules that somehow applied to society then, but not to us now? Would you also stand up for them to be able to post any of these?