Have You had Contact with an Alien?

originally posted by: LogicalRazor

My issue with all these claims of telepathic contact, is that we've made significant advances in understanding the synaptic transmissions in the brain. There are chemical and electrical synapses in the brain. We've monitored and can identify what areas are active when subjects are asked to think about something...or when they view certain colors...or when they are experiencing certain emotions.

Telepathy is not a phenomena of the "brain", it is a phenomena/function of consciousness...think "Consciousness" in a very old school metaphysical sense.

With Telepathy, and indeed all other "psychic powers" we are leaving the relativistic universe and entering a quantum One.

Anyone interested may read a bit about this "consciousness / quantum interface" in this paper On The Nature of the Aether

All of this leaves conventional science in the dust, and takes us into the quantum world, and every thing does indeed become "spooky".

originally posted by: tanka418
a reply to: InhaleExhale

I very seriously hate it people use the same logic as my 19 yo...don't get me wrong...he is VERY intelligent, and logical, and has absolutely zero experience...and as a result fails to think things through, or experiences an exception in his logic.

I would like to think that y'all are a "step" above that. But, you make it difficult.

Maybe I should term that "blanket logic". A logical exception with broad application.

Seriously 2 posts of these veiled attempts tells readers a lot about your logic.

seeing as you need all the positivity you can get

I hope you release that fear and hate you have.

You shouldn't fear that you cant help me, because you cant, its reality or should I say the "real" world, help yourself if you can.

I hope you can so you can discuss things like an adult and not throw around veiled attempts at insult because you express yourself in way where you simply cannot back up your own words.

You said a lot in this thread and when asked, what have you replied with? me living a cave, that I have no clue and something about the "real" world. Oh and a fear you cant help me.

I very seriously hate it people use the same logic as my 19 yo...don't get me wrong...he is VERY intelligent, and logical, and has absolutely zero experience...and as a result fails to think things through, or experiences an exception in his logic. I would like to think that y'all are a "step" above that. But, you make it difficult.

Thank you

originally posted by: tanka418
a reply to: InhaleExhale

I very seriously hate it people use the same logic as my 19 yo...don't get me wrong...he is VERY intelligent, and logical, and has absolutely zero experience...and as a result fails to think things through, or experiences an exception in his logic.

I would like to think that y'all are a "step" above that. But, you make it difficult.

Maybe I should term that "blanket logic". A logical exception with broad application.

As I've said before, perhaps you should be listening to him more. Sounds like he could teach you a thing or two.

No shame in learning from our children.

I agree with you X they are brave for sharing this info,i'd tilt my cap to that,but that is whats needed,helping to turn the tide in awareness a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

a reply to: InhaleExhale

I'm sorry that you do not "see" what you are doing. That your logic is in an exception state. So I'll just leave you to your devices...take care

originally posted by: Unity_99
RV works, telepathy has been proved in university studies to work

Can you cite some?

originally posted by: conundrummer

originally posted by: Unity_99
RV works, telepathy has been proved in university studies to work

Can you cite some?

Or just one?

a reply to: AlienView

Lived with one for 16 years.
It through me out in the end

originally posted by: Unity_99


RV works, telepathy has been proved in university studies to work, and there is no real space and time

I was born at the home of the Stargate Project.

The conclusions:

Based upon the collected findings, which recommended a higher level of critical research and tighter controls, the CIA terminated the 20 million dollar project, citing a lack of documented evidence that the program had any value to the intelligence community. Time magazine stated in 1995 three full-time psychics were still working on a $500,000-a-year budget out of Fort Meade, Maryland, which would soon close. According to the American Institute for Research, which performed a review of the project, no remote viewing report ever provided actionable information for any intelligence operation.

Great thread OP

I have not personally witnessed seeing an actual ET being..but have had many UFO experiences,so many times i have lost count (roughly a ten year period 60 times? guesstimate) also i don't mind sharing that they were clearly following me round my city for a period of 4 years i guess? some of the occasions were very close indeed and they were a mix of typical cigar craft,saucer shape craft-so nuts and bolts if you like..this also includes a 'bell' variety of saucer which illuminated bright yellow to such an intensity like the sun and then turned off leaving the outline of what was the craft...

There were some that seemed probe like but the distance was too far to determine..another occasion whatever it was,was posing as a star and as soon as i made eye contact with it, star gazing as you do,it seemed to know it had my utter attention and descended at that point,changing shape as it did,into what seemed to be a cube still holding this original light (which dimmed significantly)as it did..until it was what seemed a hundred feet high possibly more then it was in what seemed to be a jet black diamond-esque shape,by now it seemed close enough to touch,so to speak, as it coasted past the roof tops silently..This was one of the weird ones that come to mind..as i cant say it was a nuts and bolts craft and this UFO seemed to have a conciousness about it,so i am open to all possibilities from the origins and composition,i say all possibilities should be accepted..

Sorry to ramble OP i know this thread was more to do with actual contact with a being through different means,i just thought i would add some thing into the mix,although i'm sure you don't mind the input.Like i say i do not recall any incidence of contact in the manner you mean,but i would like to get regressed to see if i have and i don't realise it.

There have been some awesome points brought up in this thread for the most part.Someone mentioned Reptillians...i think in the context of what they meant, they were refering to reptoids, which evolved from actual dinos allegedly..science agrees there was an intelligent dino (much more so than others) that could have used this to its advantage when catastrophy struck, millions of years ago and survived..so according to researchers it could have roughly a 65 million year head start on homo sapiens in evolution,an interesting thought?I also agree there is a link with the Annunaki and a lot of the evidence is pointing at them pulling the strings covertly presently, as opposed to overtly in the past.This is where all routes lead from secret societies to royalty around the world.

I feel it is not as cut and dried as simply aliens,the UFO phenomena that is..(some maybe biological entities yet understood)we have what some have termed cryptoterrestials i.e. Annunaki pulling the strings,as they have since Atlantis and beyond,the deceipt and dis info on this subject is rampant,so use caution...I must say a lot of craft seen are 'Watcher' craft i.e. Annuanki...their presence on other planets and bodies in our Solar System is hallmarked in the same fashion as here on Earth,pyramids etc etc..i say there will be no invasion, so to speak,as this has occured long ago..i can except the notion of good ETs as well,but i think there is deceipt at hand regarding the true nature of UFOs and indeed this reality we experience, which is nearing the crux of this grand conspiracy it seems.

Just my long 2 cents lol

In order to answer your question Alien View in your OP,i would say regarding the previous 'black diamond' UFO i mentioned..the circumstances around that for example,were sort of as follows..I had a heated falling out with a girlfriend at the time (who literally lived in the house across the road from where this experience occured) which left me feeling more low than i could remember up until that moment in time,so i left there and i was home in seconds and then proceeded to the garden to smoke...so anyway,when i had this encounter it left me feeling,quite euphoric which was a stark contrast to how i had felt.I have heard of this kind of thing being experienced by others in the community..so does that contribute to it being perceived as 'real'? could that effect on me/us be recreated in a 'false' misrepresented way..i guess any thing is posssible.

I undoubtably say,i saw what i saw and have many witnesses on occasions..but of coarse that still does not answer your question..a hologram some may say? this is possible as i beleive we are in a hologram of sorts..

I also mentioned in that occasion it seemed to have a conciousness,although a UFO,organic but a craft?

I get what your alluding to and it's an interesting question.i certainly feel there is something real in this,although i am open to all the concepts.I see a UFO dodge what seemed to be a meteorite the other night,going fast and high over my new place-abroad- (just for the record lol) in heindsight could it have been fired upon?it was meandering in subtle angles afterward for some reason? so i think there is a battle of sorts underway?others think so as well.. we shall see.

With regards to telepathy i have experienced this with a friend when under the influence of some thing years ago,so i can vouch for that.I also hold high regard for contact with mediums that i have had,which basically have the same gifts as ET chanellers i imagine?so i can't see the diference in potential credibility and as for being able to do that through space/ether/void i recommend reading Wes Penre if you haven't He has a great take on what maybe at hand..oh and Mac Tonnies as well He has some great thoughts.

Peace

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: conundrummer

originally posted by: Unity_99
RV works, telepathy has been proved in university studies to work

Can you cite some?

Or just one?

Just one? Okay...
www.psychicreviewonline.com...

and this one looks kind of interesting too...
www.sheldrake.org...&Papers/papers/telepathy/index.html

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: tanka418
a reply to: InhaleExhale

I very seriously hate it people use the same logic as my 19 yo...don't get me wrong...he is VERY intelligent, and logical, and has absolutely zero experience...and as a result fails to think things through, or experiences an exception in his logic.

I would like to think that y'all are a "step" above that. But, you make it difficult.

Maybe I should term that "blanket logic". A logical exception with broad application.

As I've said before, perhaps you should be listening to him more. Sounds like he could teach you a thing or two.

No shame in learning from our children.

I'm reminded of a bit from a recent movie...goes something like this

I've been there, done that; have the hat, t-shirt and coffee mug to prove it; You, you're just playin' reruns.

The problem is you think your reruns are something new...sigh

Thee is a small group of: "experiencers" mostly that have an extremely important message to give to all of Humanity; it is the over-indulged dullards who are retarding the spiritual, and meaningful evolution of the Human species.

originally posted by: tanka418


Just one? Okay...
www.psychicreviewonline.com...

psychicreviewonline? Nice source. :-))

Anyway, they cite J.B. Rhine. Old school.

About his work:

Rhine's results have never been duplicated by scientific community.[12][13] A number of psychological departments attempted to repeat Rhine's experiments with failure. W. S. Cox (1936) from Princeton University with 132 subjects produced 25, 064 trials in a playing card ESP experiment. Cox concluded "There is no evidence of extrasensory perception either in the 'average man' or of the group investigated or in any particular individual of that group. The discrepancy between these results and those obtained by Rhine is due either to uncontrollable factors in experimental procedure or to the difference in the subjects."[14] Four other psychological departments failed to replicate Rhine's results.[15] The American psychologist James Charles Crumbaugh attempted to repeat Rhines’ findings over a long period without success. Crumbaugh wrote: At the time [1938] of performing the experiments involved I fully expected that they would yield easily all the final answers. I did not imagine that after 28 years I would still be in as much doubt as when I had begun. I repeated a number of the then current Duke techniques, but the results of 3,024 runs [one run consists of twenty-five guesses] of the ESP cards as much work as Rhine reported in his first book-were all negative. In 1940 I utilized further methods with high school students, again with negative results.[16] It was revealed that Rhine's experiments into extrasensory perception (ESP) contained methodological flaws.[17] The psychologists Leonard Zusne and Warren Jones have written "the keeping of records in Rhine’s experiments was inadequate. Sometimes, the subject would help with the checking of his or her calls against the order of cards. In some long-distance telepathy experiments, the order of the cards passed through the hands of the percipient before it got from Rhine to the agent."[18] The card-guessing method used by the Rhine contained flaws that did not rule out the possibility of sensory leakage. The cards were poorly designed so the printed designs could actually be seen from the back of the cards.[19][20] According to Terence Hines: The methods the Rhines used to prevent subjects from gaining hints and clues as to the design on the cards were far from adequate. In many experiments, the cards were displayed face up, but hidden behind a small wooden shield. Several ways of obtaining information about the design on the card remain even in the presence of the shield. For instance, the subject may be able sometimes to see the design on the face-up card reflected in the agent’s glasses. Even if the agent isn’t wearing glasses it is possible to see the reflection in his cornea.[19] Rhine published Extra-Sensory Perception After Sixty Years in 1940 with a number of colleagues, to address the objections raised. In the book Rhine and his colleagues described three experiments the Pearce-Pratt experiment, the Pratt-Woodruff experiment and the Ownbey-Zirkle series which they believed demonstrated ESP. The psychologist C. E. M. Hansel wrote "it is now known that each experiment contained serious flaws that escaped notice in the examination made by the authors of Extra-Sensory Perception After Sixty Years".[21] Rhine's experiments into psychokinesis (PK) were not replicated by other scientists.[22] John Sladek wrote: His research used dice, with subjects 'willing' them to fall a certain way. Not only can dice be drilled, shaved, falsely numbered and manipulated, but even straight dice often show bias in the long run. Casinos for this reason retire dice often, but at Duke, subjects continued to try for the same effect on the same dice over long experimental runs. Not surprisingly, PK appeared at Duke and nowhere else.[23] The science writer Martin Gardner wrote Rhine repeatedly tried to replicate his work, but produced only failures that he never reported.[24] Gardner criticized Rhine for not disclosing the names of assistants he caught cheating: His paper "Security Versus Deception in Parapsychology" published in his journal (vol. 38, 1974), runs to 23 pages... Rhine selects twelve sample cases of dishonest experimenters that came to his attention from 1940 to 1950, four of whom were caught 'red-handed'. Not a single name is mentioned. What papers did they publish, one wonders?

en.wikipedia.org...

Peer review and reproducibility are what differentiates science from pseudoscience. At least in this case an attempt was made to adhere to the scientific method.

originally posted by: tanka418

and this one looks kind of interesting too...
www.sheldrake.org...&Papers/papers/telepathy/index.html

Rupert Sheldrake's "scientific papers" published by Rupert Sheldrake on Rupert Sheldrake's website, edited and peer reviewed by Rupert Sheldrake?

Very interesting indeed.

Perhaps the most logical and easiest way of thinking about actual physical and 'other realm' (as a catch all term for those that see things as black/white either /or and need such definitions) encounters /interactions /communications would be that the actual knowledge known to humanity yet is mostly confined to that which is termed ''science'', physics, chemistry etc and are all set to tight rules, however these rules are ever increasingly bending with each further bit of truth revealed, for example Higgs boson, dark matter, quantum mechanics etc.

So, on this premise we can speculate the knowledge graph of humanity so far. It looks something like a 45 degree angle in a right angled graph where humanity's knowledge area is potentially at the small end of a large right angled triangle, ie only being able to partly see or comprehend the totality of the truth of the Universe, Universal laws, and the interactions therein, including extra terrestrial (literal sense, ie not of Earth) communication, and the existence of dimensions and how these work.

My own experiences have often involved others and when I needed protection, like being saved by dimensional beings with which I have very strong connections.

a reply to: draknoir2

Always the skeptic draknoir are you not? But in a field like ufology and alien contact some skepticism might be healthy so let us follow up the dragons concerns as the issue of telepathic communication of alien intelligence is significant to our current discussion. Further research will show that Rhine and Sheldrake are not the only scientists to examine the field of telepathy seriously and some of findings are most enlightening. For example:

"Telepathy Has Been Scientifically Proven to be Real"

The news that should have rocked the world, that eventually will completely upend the scientific world and cause a radical rethinking of theory in a variety of sciences ranging from physics to biology to psychology, arrived . . . on little cat feet. The announcement, as is typical of the scientific community, came out in December of 2010, with little fanfare in the form of an abstract of a scientific paper with an unwieldy title: Extrasensory Perception and Quantum Models of Cognition. It reads:

Today, using modern experimental methods and meta‐analytical techniques, a persuasive case can be made that, neuroscience assumptions notwithstanding, ESP does exist. We justify this conclusion through discussion of one class of homogeneous experiments reported in 108 publications and conducted from 1974 through 2008 by laboratories around the world. Subsets of these data have been subjected to six meta‐analyses, and each shows significantly positive effects. The overall results now provide unambiguous evidence for an independently repeatable ESP effect. This indicates that traditional cognitive and neuroscience models, which are largely based on classical physical concepts, are incomplete.

The experiment in question here is the ganzfeld, which is briefly described in the paper:

In a typical ganzfeld telepathy experiment, a “receiver” is left in a room relaxing in a comfortable chair with halved ping-pong balls over the eyes, and with a red light shining on them. The receiver is asked to keep his/her eyes open, and to wear headphones through which white or pink noise is played. The receiver is exposed to this state of mild sensory homogenization for about a half hour. During this time a distant “sender” observes a randomly chosen target, usually a photograph or a short videoclip randomly drawn from a set of four possible targets (each as different from one another as possible), and he or she tries to mentally send this information to the receiver. During the ganzfeld stimulation period, the receiver verbally describes any impressions that come to mind. These “mentations” are recorded by the experimenter (who is also blind to the target) via an audio recording or by taking notes, or both.

After the ganzfeld period ends, the receiver is taken out of the ganzfeld state and is presented with four photos or video clips, one of which was the target along with three decoys. The receiver is asked to choose which target best resembles the image sent by the distant sender. The evaluation of a trial is based on (a) selection of one image by the receiver, based on his/her assessment of the similarity between his/her subjective impressions and the various target possibilities, possibly enhanced by listening to his/her mentation recorded during the session, or (b) an independent judge’s assessment of similarity between the various targets and the participant’s mentation recorded during the session.

The results are then collected in the form of ‘hit rates” over many trials, (i.e., the proportion of trials in which the target was correctly identified). Because four possible targets are typically used in these studies, the chance hit rate is normally 25%. After many repeated trials, hit rates that significantly exceed chance expectation are taken as evidence for nonlocal information transfer. Most of these experiments are now fully automated, eliminating the possibility of data recording errors.

This paper bases its conclusion on six meta analyses. Honorton (1985); Bem & Honorton (1994); Milton & Wiseman (1999); Storm & Ertel (1999); Bem et al. (2001); Storm et al. (2010). Of particular interest is the paper by Milton & Wiseman. They are both skeptics and their paper originally was meant to show that the ganzfeld actually showed no effect. However, the paper had serious statistical errors, which, when corrected, yielded significant positive results. Make no mistake; including this meta analysis to support the existence of psi was the parapsychologists way of giving a big middle finger to the skeptics and Richard Wiseman in particular..........

See whole article here:
weilerpsiblog.wordpress.com...

Disconcerting to the skeptics isn't it? There are many more cases of telepathic communication and psi phenomena that have been demonstrated - much evidence that a telepathic link to an unknown and/or alien mind is quite possible.

“I'd always known that when you went through one of these doors, you went to another planet, and that that other planet might be so far away, you couldn't fly there in spaceship in a million years. Somehow, the whole thing had never seemed strange before today.”

-― Mary G. Thompson, "Escape from the Pipe Men!"

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: tanka418

and this one looks kind of interesting too...
www.sheldrake.org...&Papers/papers/telepathy/index.html

Rupert Sheldrake's "scientific papers" published by Rupert Sheldrake on Rupert Sheldrake's website, edited and peer reviewed by Rupert Sheldrake?

Very interesting indeed.

Yeah...here is a case where you have not thought the issue through...no papers are automatically reviewed. And, typically don't get seen much by anybody outside the area they pertain to. Thus, publishing, reviewing, may be rare.

Also, a real simple, quick way to control the direction of research is to apply some controls on the review process.

While the research is unverified / not reviewed; it still has merit; when you condemn the research "out of the gate", you deny yourself the opportunity to learn, and thus promote ignorance...about the opposite of what seems expected around here.

a reply to: draknoir2

I like that...ask for some research; then condemn it when it is provided. You should at least read the material before you decide that it is of no merit.

This is why you appear skeptical; you have no foundation upon which to analyze anything...read, learn...deny ignorance.

originally posted by: AlienView
a reply to: draknoir2

Always the skeptic draknoir are you not?

Yes, I am not. But when it comes to assertions of scientific proof I expect actual scientific proof.

originally posted by: AlienView
a reply to: draknoir2But in a field like ufology and alien contact some skepticism might be healthy so let us follow up the dragons concerns as the issue of telepathic communication of alien intelligence is significant to our current discussion.

I'm not really a dragon... that's just the artwork I chose for my avatar.

originally posted by: AlienView
Further research will show that Rhine and Sheldrake are not the only scientists to examine the field of telepathy seriously and some of findings are most enlightening.

I'm sure they are not, but there is a difference between examination and scientific proof.

originally posted by: AlienView
For example:

"Telepathy Has Been Scientifically Proven to be Real"

Uh, you mean sensory deprivation-induced hallucinations have been scientifically proven to be real. I watched Altered States too. great movie.


And "psiblog"? What's with you guys?