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but your arrogance seems 100% genuine!
originally posted by: hgfbob
a reply to: wmd_2008
but your arrogance seems 100% genuine!
that is the only thing you got right ...and that is the thing that erks you the most, huh...lol!
why, cause there is NOTHING you nor anyone can offer to show otherwise......the reason you can't respond with actual science and facts...the reason you attack my person rather than the information contained.
don't you wish you could be arrogant???
ya still can.....being a 'truther' means asking questions and DEMANDING the supporting evidence of the already in-place claims pushed as truth...and KNOWING that science DID NOT magically change on 9-11 and have the BALLS to state it.
come into the light, get out of the dark........
originally posted by: hgfbob
and....no floors within the core to drop....just 47 continuous, vertical support box columns with an abundance of cross, lateral, and diagonal bracing throughout....
So NO floors in the core area
Every reply you have given has been IGNORANT,ARROGANT or INSULTING
being a "Truther" means you joined a group
It does not bestow magical properties on someone just because they assume it
originally posted by: hgfbob
is that a problem?
oh yes it does......wicked magical!
since the Dictum of both Law and Debate is those whom assert must prove....
I get to stand before everyone, and demand supporting evidence of what they spew as truth.....and I don't have to supply one damn thing.
first come the asserted official claims pushed as truth....now am demanding it proved....
I'm sorry....but what was the point of your reply?
No, you were talking about being a "truther" remember?
And are not listening to the answers.
You want to throw rocks, of rhetoric, not understand why your opponents say what they do.
all the other "truthers" spew.
If you wanted meaningful information exchange with those who you disagree you would not be engaging in this silliness.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
Some investigator you're turning out to be.
ATTENTION.. THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
We all need to take a breath and cool down a bit please.
You've already decided that.
And there is no convincing you otherwise.
LIEUTENANT PATRICK SCARINGELLO EMS
"I heard the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean".
FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BOERI WTC2
"We had our backs to the tower and under that pedestrian bridge walking south, myself, Eddie Kennedy and the officer, when you heard the crackling. You looked up and you saw the one floor explode on itself and the top start to slide."
FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM REYNOLDS
"I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down"
anything new that has been brought up by the Truth Movement
"Somewhere around the middle of the Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash, then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the building. I went inside and told everybody that the other building or there was as explosion occurring up there and I said I think we have another major explosion. I don't know if we are all going to be safe here.
And every single one has been explained, debunked, or dismissed as nonsense, lies, misinformation, stupidity, ignorance, etc.
What she was describing was the initial interior collapses inside the North Tower.
She is obviously mistaken as every video that was looking directly at the WTCs that day,
There were signs of internal collapse. This would explain why fires were seen to come out more and more smoke appeared,
plus the popping and explosion-like sounds. Remember,
"I went inside and told everybody that the other building or there was as explosion occurring up there and I said I think we have another major explosion. I don't know if we are all going to be safe here."
Would you be able to tell the difference between steel columns, supports, beams, etc snapping and breaking from say explosive charges?
Daniel Rivera Paramedic
-how did you know it was coming down?
-that noise it was a noise.
-What did you hear?
-It was a friggin noise. Do you ever see professional demolition where they set charges on certain floors, and then you hear "pop pop pop pop pop pop" I thought it was that, when I heard that friggin noise, that's when I saw the building coming down
The uncritical acceptance of eyewitness accounts may stem from a popular misconception of how memory works. Many people believe that human memory works like a video recorder: the mind records events and then, on cue, plays back an exact replica of them. On the contrary, psychologists have found that memories are reconstructed rather than played back each time we recall them. The act of remembering, says eminent memory researcher and psychologist Elizabeth F. Loftus of the University of California, Irvine, is “more akin to putting puzzle pieces together than retrieving a video recording.” Even questioning by a lawyer can alter the witness’s testimony because fragments of the memory may unknowingly be combined with information provided by the questioner, leading to inaccurate recall.
The eyewitness literature often claims that emotional stress leads to an impairment in memory and, hence, that details of unpleasant emotional events are remembered less accurately than details of neutral or everyday events. A common assumption behind this view is that a decrease in available processing capacity occurs at states of high emotional arousal, which, therefore, leads to less efficient memory processing. The research reviewed here shows that this belief is overly simplistic. Current studies demonstrate striking interactions between type of event, type of detail information, time of test, and type of retrieval information. This article also reviews the literature on memory for stressful events with respect to 2 major theories: the Yerkes-Dodson law and J. A. Easterbrook's (1959) cue-utilization hypothesis. To account for the findings from real-life studies and laboratory studies, this article discusses the possibility that emotional events receive some preferential processing mediated by factors related to early perceptual processing and late conceptual processing. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)
The effects of stress on memory include interference with a person's capacity to encode memory and the ability to retrieve information. During times of stress, the body reacts by secreting stress hormones into the bloodstream. Stress can cause acute and chronic changes in certain brain areas which can cause long-term damages. Over-secretion of stress hormones most frequently affects memory negatively, but in a few cases can affect it positively. In particular, the hippocampus, prefrontal cortex and the amygdala are affected. One class of stress hormone responsible for negatively affecting memory is the glucocorticoids (GCs), the most notable of which is cortisol. Glucocorticoids facilitate and impair the actions of stress in the brain memory process. Cortisol is a known biomarker for stress. Under normal circumstances, the hippocampus regulates the production of cortisol through negative feedback because it has many receptors that are sensitive to these stress hormones. However, an excess of cortisol can impair the ability of the hippocampus to both encode and recall memories. These stress hormones are also hindering the hippocampus from receiving enough energy by diverting glucose levels to surrounding muscles.
Stress affects many memory functions and cognitive functioning of the brain. There are different levels of stress and the high levels can be intrinsic or extrinsic. Intrinsic stress level is triggered by a cognitive challenge whereas extrinsic can be triggered by a condition not related to a cognitive task. Intrinsic stress can be acutely and chronically experienced by a person. The varying effects of stress on performance or stress hormones are often compared to or known as “inverted-u” which induce areas in learning, memory and plasticity. Chronic stress can affect the brain structure and cognition.
Studies considered the effects of stress on both intrinsic and extrinsic memory functions, using for both of them Pavlovian conditioning and spatial learning. In regard to intrinsic memory functions, the study evaluated how stress affected memory functions that was triggered by a learning challenge. In regard to extrinsic stress, the study focused on stress that was not related to cognitive task but was elicited by other situations. The results determined that intrinsic stress was facilitated by memory consolidation process and extrinsic stress was determined to be heterogeneous in regard to memory consolidation.[clarification needed] Researchers found that high stress conditions were a good representative of the impact that extrinsic stress can cause on memory functioning.[clarification needed] It was also proven that extrinsic stress does have an impact on spatial learning whereas acute extrinsic stress does not.
A Northwestern University researcher has found that memory retrieval may be like the game of telephone.
Just as a whispered message changes with each retelling, memories can change when they are recalled multiple times, according to the study by Donna Bridge, a postdoctoral fellow at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine. A press release summarizes the findings published in the journal Neuroscience.
“A memory is not simply an image produced by time traveling back to the original event—it can be an image that is somewhat distorted because of the prior times you remembered it,” Bridge said in the press release. “Your memory of an event can grow less precise even to the point of being totally false with each retrieval.”
Bridge says her findings have implications for eyewitness accounts in criminal trials. “Maybe a witness remembers something fairly accurately the first time because his memories aren’t that distorted,” she said. “After that it keeps going downhill.”
Test subjects in Bridge’s study were asked to recall the location of objects on a grid in three sessions on three consecutive days. On the second day, the subjects were shown a subset on the first day’s objects and asked to move them to their original locations. On day three, the test subjects showed greater recall of the objects they manipulated on day two. But when test subjects made a mistake on day two, they were more likely to repeat the mistake on day three by placing the object closer to the incorrect than the correct location.
The Neuroscience study used 12 subjects, but Bridge has repeated the results. “When someone tells me they are sure they remember exactly the way something happened, I just laugh,” Bridge said in the press release.
A memory might seem like a permanent, precious essence carved deep into the circuits of the brain. But it is not. Instead, scientists are discovering that a memory changes every time you think about it.
"Every time you recall a memory, it becomes sensitive to disruption. Often that is used to incorporate new information into it." That's the blunt assessment from one of the world's leading experts on memory, Dr. Eric Kandel from Columbia University.
And that means our memories are not abstract snapshots stored forever in a bulging file in our mind, but rather, they're a collection of brain cells — neurons that undergo chemical changes every time they're engaged.
Need any more?
The prevalence of probable PTSD among more than 11,000 firefighters in the FDNY WTC Medical Monitoring and Treatment Program nine years after 9/11 was four times higher than in the general population, 7.4% compared to 1.8%. Early arrival at the WTC site, exercising less and drinking more alcohol were associated with the persistence or onset of PTSD symptoms, as were co-occurring respiratory or gastroesophageal reflux symptoms.31
Science beats you here.
Angel Rivera FDNY evacuating the Marriott Hotel Explosions BEFORE any tower falls
"So we walk all the way up, no problem.
Then we hear the explosion and debris falling.
We were looking out of the windows and see body parts all over the place. It was scary. It was very sad.
We searched 14, 15, went in one lobby, we came out the other way, we went in one stairway, came up -- when we hit the 19th floor, something horrendous happened. It was like a bomb went off. We thought we were dead.
The whole building shook. The brick coming out of -- the door to the hallway into the hotel blew off like somebody had thrown it all
over the place. It shook all over the place. We
were thrown on the floor. We looked inside the lobby after
everything calmed down, and everything was
2]..."The building was still shaking and
we're still hearing explosions going on everywhere, so we decided let's get out of here. We ran all the way down to the fourth floor where we ran out of stairs. There were no more stairs. We met on that floor, and we were all safe. We were all like-we could have been over here. What happened, we looked out of the window of the hotel, the wall, practically, because the window was all blown up. There was no way out. The only way out was the roof rope."
(pg7) First tower falls-
"and then the most horrendous thing happened. That's
when hell came down. It was like a huge,
enormous explosion. I still can hear it.
Everything shook. Everything went black. The
wind rushed, very slowly [sound], all the dust,
all the-and everything went dark.
We were rolling all over the floor,
banging against the walls. I thought I was alone. I thought I was buried alive."
4] Second tower falls-(pg.9)
"When the second tower came down, we had
no idea what was going on. We thought another
plane, another bomb, another as a second device.
We thought, this is it, we are dead.
When that happened, as I told you
before, everything was black. It was like being
inside a storm or volcano or something, something
horrendous. We said we're going to die."
So finally we
found out where there was a beam. Maybe God put
it there. It was an enormous beam about 20 feet
away from us that was against the building but to
the level where we were, like it started where we
were, all the way to the ground.
One of the guys said, "This is our way
out." So we all went that way.(pg10)
you have not offered any.....and SCIENCE is the reason all you duhbunkers refuse to discuss 9-11...remember.