I Am Confused. Sandy Hook, The Isla Vista Killings, & Other Rampage Killings In The USA Are Conspira

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: DelMarvel

wait, wait, wait....so are you ACTUALLY gonna sit here, and imply that these lunatic spree killers are lunatic spree killers, because they're conspiracy theorists, and/or prepers?

Where did I say anything like that?

a reply to: tide88

www.oregonlive.com...

A man who describes himself as one of Ybarra's closest friends told The Seattle Times that Ybarra spends his time writing screenplays and novels. "It makes no sense at all,'' said Zack McKinley. "He's super happy and friendly. He's an awesome guy, someone who would never let you down."

originally posted by: olaru12

Perhaps they suffer from a rare type of an intellectual constipation malady, prefer to ignore reality in favor of their comfort zone. Denying ignorance can get ugly at times.

If you think that an alleged conspiracy that would have to involve most of the state of Connecticut as well as almost every media source in the country stands up to even slight intellectual scrutiny I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

a reply to: Char-Lee

Also from your linked news story:

But KIRO cites police sources that Ybarra was obsessed with the Columbine High School shootings and even visited the site of the April 1999 mass shootings.

The Herald of Everett reports that Ybarra was twice referred by local police for mental health evaluations in October 2010 and October 2012.

a reply to: DelMarvel

it's what it sounds like....unless you were just being vague, and non-specific on purpose...

if it's not what you meant, then perhaps you should clarify..

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: DelMarvel

it's what it sounds like....unless you were just being vague, and non-specific on purpose...

if it's not what you meant, then perhaps you should clarify..

What I meant was that in regard to the topic of this thread (Sandy Hook, Isla Vista, etc.) what I think is going on is that there are people who see conspiracy everywhere and who exhibit extreme confirmation bias to the point of appearing mentally ill.

Is that clear enough?

a reply to: DelMarvel

that was clear....i think...

so is your position then, that anyone who doesn't accept the official version of events, for a given scenario, either is, or appears to be, mentally ill?

I think nuts like memes.That is a vector to follow for detection,Just be SMART enough to separate the crazy from the enthusiast. Even money it's another SSRI psychobomb here.

originally posted by: DelMarvel
a reply to: Char-Lee

Also from your linked news story:

But KIRO cites police sources that Ybarra was obsessed with the Columbine High School shootings and even visited the site of the April 1999 mass shootings.

The Herald of Everett reports that Ybarra was twice referred by local police for mental health evaluations in October 2010 and October 2012.

Yes isn't it all interesting.

originally posted by: tide88 I would be willing to bet that you would find the exact same discrepancies in the investigations of mass killings in other parts of the world, that "believers" find here in the USA.

We do find the same discrepancies in many foreign shootings. Do a search of this site for the words "Hungerford, Dunblane, Port Arthur, Erfurt, Beslan, Winnendon, Fabeltjesland, Baku, Kauhajoki, Hyvinkää, Jokela, Ridderhof Mall, or Utoya" and you will see for yourself that many of these events are scutinized.

a reply to: tide88

Montauk conspiracy, an unproven CONSPIRACY

Tuskegee experiments-Syphilis STUDY uses black men as guinea pigs-PROVEN-ADMITED

JFK-Likely murdered by Government conspiracy
RFK - Likely murdered by Government conspiracy
MLK- Likely murdered by Government conspiracy
MALCOLM X Likely murdered by Government conspiracy
George Wallace- Likely murdered by Government conspiracy
Huey Long- Likely murdered by Government conspiracy

MKultra—PROVEN as true

All kinds of other CIA secret programs along with MKultra—Proven true
en.wikipedia.org...
Military Assistance Command, Vietnam – Studies and Observations Group
Operation Wrath of God
Operation Gladio
Operation Anthropoid
Huston Plan
Iran-Contra affair
Project MKULTRA
Operation CHAOS
CIA Project Cherry
Vang Pao's Clandestine Army
Palace Dog
Raven Forward Air Controllers

Cointelpro-FBI undercover black op against the black liberation movement.-PROVEN ADMITED

The Vietnam war was started on a lie the Gulf n Tonkin incident

The Iraq war was a blatant lie and black op

911- Judging all the evidence its clear was a black op

This just scratches the surface

Governments have no reason to love the truth. The truth can lose an election for your party. The truth can make a war desired by the financial benefactors of said war to lose money on the bottom line. The truth is only interesting to the intellectuality honest and the paranoid. Government will always attempt to control the perception of reality as that is the bread and butter of the source controllers. As you believe so you receive. If you believe in a global government bent on enslavement of the human stock then that is what you will receive as a result. It works well when explained within the framework of the many worlds theory of quantum mechanics. The reality you give your attention to grows in probability as the reality you do not place your attention upon decreases in probability. You do make your creation for yourself while we all do the same. The collective reality is kind of a group think and realization.

originally posted by: VoidHawk
Here's another for you to add to the list - The number of 'Anti conspiracy' threads being posted on a conspiracy website!!!

Assuming the community is serious about determining the truth behind various events, don't we have a responsibility to post anti-conspiracy threads right alongside the more expected fare? After all, not every unusual light in the sky is an alien spacecraft, not every unusual image or corporate logo is some hidden message by / to the Illuminati, and not every odd-ball happening is the result of black operations, false flags, or mind-control. If we, as a group, are going to question *anything*, we have to question *everything*, whether it's "The Official Story" (tm) or a conspiracy.

Just to clarify: Not all people that commit 'crazy' or 'insane' acts are crazy.

A recent example exists in Canada right now. The Moncton, New Brunswick shooter appeared in court Friday to be charged. Neither the prosecution nor the defense are looking at insanity as a potential factor. When the judge asked why, neither felt it was necessary.

Sometimes a murderous A*hole is just an A*hole.

A few touched on it, but it's the way it's presented in the news. Were those cases you mentioned endlessly seared into the minds of their country's people? Were they used to capitalize on interests? Was evidence withheld from the public?

Even apart from the lack of relevance of abroad cases comparatively.

originally posted by: Brother Stormhammer

originally posted by: VoidHawk
Here's another for you to add to the list - The number of 'Anti conspiracy' threads being posted on a conspiracy website!!!

Assuming the community is serious about determining the truth behind various events, don't we have a responsibility to post anti-conspiracy threads right alongside the more expected fare? After all, not every unusual light in the sky is an alien spacecraft, not every unusual image or corporate logo is some hidden message by / to the Illuminati, and not every odd-ball happening is the result of black operations, false flags, or mind-control. If we, as a group, are going to question *anything*, we have to question *everything*, whether it's "The Official Story" (tm) or a conspiracy.

But there's no great need for anti-conspiracy threads. The official stories are well decimated by the government and widely believed by most of the public.

People are welcome to do it. But it's like offering coffee to people who already have coffee and have access to more whenever they want it. There seems to be a greater need to offer alternative beverages than just offering them more coffee.

a reply to: Moresby

I agree, but I do think we should try and weed out the less viable, and/or properly debunked theories; so they aren't associated with the more reasonable of sorts.

Like Alex Jones would get a lot more attention possibly, if he'd relax some of his approaches. That's a metphor for the larger issue.

originally posted by: SumDumName
a reply to: Moresby

I agree, but I do think we should try and weed out the less viable, and/or properly debunked theories; so they aren't associated with the more reasonable of sorts.

Like Alex Jones would get a lot more attention possibly, if he'd relax some of his approaches. That's a metphor for the larger issue.

Very true.

But many debunkers are incredibly heavily handed and unyielding. And it does often seem like they're forcing coffee on people that already have it.

a reply to: OrphanApology

Yes unfortunately this is their plan, and they seem to be running at full tilt to bring it to completion.

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: DelMarvel

that was clear....i think...

so is your position then, that anyone who doesn't accept the official version of events, for a given scenario, either is, or appears to be, mentally ill?

Absolutely not.

I'm referring to those who claim that Sandy Hook, the Boston Bombing, Aurora and Isla Vista were staged hoaxes. (The topic of the thread.)

See, what you've written above is a big part of the problem here IMO.

On the one hand the people advocating this nonsense try to associate themselves with the credibility of more plausible and more widely accepted conspiracy theories.

On the other hand "anyone who doesn't accept the official version of events, for a given scenario" gets associated with these theories that to an objective observer appear to be the product of insane minds.