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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: kauskau
Yes, I referred to Weygandt here:
And no, I don't think his recollections are particularly credible.
I think the word you want is "jibe."
Curious how literally anyone who doesn't jive with your point of view isn't particularly credible in you opinion, and those who happen to hold similar views to your own...are.
Does all this lead to historical reports now being a new "known variable" in the big UFO equation? Or can we still go ahead and interpret all these strange phenomena in the sky as hallucinations and misinterpretations by generations of intelligent & educated people throughout human history? - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Again, this is NASA, which functions as gate-keeper to the Moon and human travel outside the Van Allen belts. NASA has Keep Out Zones on the moon --- and there was recently a new law submitted (not approved) that would make Apollo landings sites as US "national parks zone" --- so it is clear that there is something to hide on the moon.
...for the Apollo 12, 14, 15 and 16 sites, more access should be provided to individual components and artifacts, NASA added, allowing for future robotic missions to get within touching distance of Apollo hardware – as much as they won’t be allowed physical contact.
This additional access is shown as buffer zones, with a three meter buffer for descent stages, one meter buffer distance for the Lunar Rovers, experiments, sampling sites and flags, while no restrictions are recommended on the footprints and rover tracks outside the identified keep-out zones.
originally posted by: onebigmonkey
Well, there goes the neighbourhood...
over the past six decades, almost no scholarly studies of the
very early history of the phenomenon have appeared.
originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: jeep3r
The older I get it seems I grow more skeptical about UFO's. When I was a kid I was gung ho about them and figured they had to be piloted by space aliens and all of that. Now I'm not so sure they even exist. I'm not sure what it is people are seeing, as not all of these sightings are hoaxes, but I can no longer put any stock in the idea of craft that are piloted by aliens. Misidentifications probably make up the vast majority of reports, I would think.
At any rate, I found your thread very well written, and interesting. I love threads where I get to learn something, and I found this one particularly informative, even if I might not draw the same conclusions you have. S&F!
originally posted by: SayonaraJupiter
The 2007 paper published by Stother which is found on .gov servers is only 12 pages (14 with footnotes) is not a hardy piece of research. It's a total fluff piece.
Stother complains 60 years and "almost no scholarly studies". The irony is that his own 12 page synopsis doesn't even reach the level of a "scholarly study".
Stother doesn't mention Ezekiel therefore his paper titled "UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS IN CLASSICAL ANTIQUITY" is really not a good contribution to UFO's.
And face touching alone is not a sign of lying.
The way he constructs his story is not planned
the way his eyes moves show that he uses "images to remember"
originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: kauskau
It worries me that you are "becoming a judge" and yet don't notice very obvious tells when someone is lying (ie face touching).
originally posted by: Jungian
Ezekiel was fkn stoned man, let it go..
Would we, if we could, educate and sophisticate pigs, geese, cattle?
Would it be wise to establish diplomatic relation with the hen that now functions, satisfied with mere sense of achievement by way of compensation?
I think we're property. I should say we belong to something: That once upon a time, this earth was No-man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something: That something owns this earth -- all others warned off.
Nothing in our own times -- perhaps -- because I am thinking of certain notes I have -- has ever appeared upon this earth, from somewhere else, so openly as Columbus landed upon San Salvador, or as Hudson sailed up his river. But as to surreptitious visits to this earth, in recent times, or as to emissaries, perhaps, from other worlds, or voyagers who have shown every indication of intent to evade or avoid, we shall have data as convincing as our data of oil or coal-burning aerial super-constructions.
But, in this vast subject, I shall have to do considerable neglecting or disregarding, myself. I don't see how I can, in this book, take up all the subject of possible use of humanity to some other mode of existence, or the flattering notion that we can possibly be worth something.
Pigs, geese, cattle.
First find out they are owned. Then find out the whyness of it.
I suspect that, after all, we're useful -- that among contesting claimants, adjustment has occurred, or that something now has a legal right to us, by force, or by having paid out analogues of beads for us to former, more primitive, owners of us -- all others warned off -- that all this has been known, perhaps for ages, to certain ones [156/157] upon this earth, a cult or order, members of which function like bellwethers to the rest of us, or as superior slaves or overseers, directing us in accordance with instructions received -- from Somewhere else -- in our mysterious usefulness.
But I accept that, in the past, before proprietorship was established, inhabitants of a host of other worlds have -- dropped here, hopped here, wafted, sailed, flown, motored -- walked here, for all I know -- been pulled here, been pushed; have come singly, have come in enormous numbers; have visited occasionally, have visited periodically for hunting, trading, replenishing harems, mining: have been unable to stay here, have established colonies here, have been lost here; far-advanced peoples, or things, and primitive peoples or whatever they were: white ones, black ones, yellow ones I have a very convincing datum that the ancient Britons were blue ones"
Charles Fort . The Book Of the Damned
originally posted by: Rob48
originally posted by: smurfy
originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: jeep3r
The older I get it seems I grow more skeptical about UFO's.
Funny enough, the older I get, the more I realise that Aliens are real. I mean, we're here are we not? and living in a dynamic biosphere. Isn't that enough to chew on?
But there's a massive difference between aliens existing, somewhere, which I'm sure they do, and aliens visiting Earth, for which there is no evidence at all.
Just because you believe that mankind is not alone in the universe (and believing that we are would be a very arrogant viewpoint) doesn't mean you have to believe that "UFOs" have anything to do with aliens.
I'm certainly in that camp: aliens are "out there" but they are not, and never have been, "down here".