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OUTRAGEOUS: Veterans Are Now Receiving Letters Prohibiting The Purchase, Possession, Receipt, Or Tra

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posted on May, 31 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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Have seen it happen here in the UK years ago.

People with learning disibilities usually work in facilities managment for the civil service. While I working next door in the post room there was this man who once a week had a visiter.

Turned out this man just couldn't 'keep book' so the social serices apppointed him a case worker that told him how to spend his money and to make sure all his bills got paid and that he could live independently.

Sometimes help is not always a bad thing especially if you don't know how to ask for it.




posted on May, 31 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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I 'm with Homer on this one.I call BS. If are government was not so " war mongering" the only Vets we would be dealing with are those from WW1 WW2 Korean Conflict & Vietnam. All the rest were just the US invading on the premise of terrorist and looting a nation. IMHO the vets I mentioned are the only TRUE veterans we have. They actually fought a war with a known enemy, not make beleive terrorist's.Those vets truly did have freedom in their hearts when they went to war for America.
edit on 31-5-2014 by openyourmind1262 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: nighthawk1954

Like others said....T&C keeps me from expressing my views honestly.

Here is this in the words of my generation though.

Dear people who thought this up.

Go die.

In my words....I hope you drown in a vat of boiling piss.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: AutumnWitch657


How did the police find out your father was ill? Who put them onto the fact he had Alzheimer's ? This part of your story makes me question the rest.


after they took away his drivers lic he took his handicap scooter to go to the seniors lunch program and some one reported how he was driving it across intersections without stopping.

Plus he had gone to the police department trying to find out whey he was not getting his money from winning the sweepstakes scams he was getting in the mail.
www.stopseniorscams.org...
postalinspectors.uspis.gov...



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 07:24 PM
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How ironic considering I have a great uncle who is in his 80's and who is so senile that he forgets that he asked the same question less than 5 minutes ago...Anyway, people were taking advantage of him, on multiple occasions, and my grandmother is the only family he has left so she attempted to help him, only to have him get belligerent with her...Probably part of his condition. He doesn't process things like a normal person.

So anyway she ends up contacting adult protective services, who did absolutely nothing. They went and spent maybe 10 minutes talking to him, and of course that is not enough time to see just how bad he is mentally. Even his doctor said he was capable of taking care of himself, but even his doctor, a VA doctor nonetheless, barely spent 5 minutes with him per visit. So finally the doctors agreed he could not live alone and needed someone to take care of him and his money.

Well to make a long story short the APS, even though they told him he cannot live by himself and is not capable of taking care of his own affairs, as per the statements of two different doctors, they have done absolutely nothing over the course of probably a year. My grandmother called the lady multiple times to try to get something done, considering people are still taking advantage of him and are coming around to get money, yet they still do nothing.

So it is ironic to think that when these services are needed they do nothing, yet when they are not needed someone will step in to take over someone's affairs. The system is broken on so many levels.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:01 PM
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Here is the truth as I have seen it from the VA. I am a County Service Officer that does battle with the VA daily on behalf of veterans. The words and the letter referenced are real. When the VA doctors believe that someone is incapable of handling their affairs they make a proposal of incompetence in a letter to the person, be they veteran or a surviving spouse receiving a pension. These are most often cases of totally incapacitating (100% rating) PTSD or other mental problems like depression or dementia. The individual once notified can dispute the VA finding and when they do they often win and the determination of incompetence is reversed. In the proposal letter the individual can also appoint a fiduciary/conservator to take care of their money and to make decisions for the individual. Power of Attorney in place and sent to VA with their proposal response will resolve most issues. If someone does not dispute the VA proposal nor suggest a fiduciary the VA goes to a judge asking for a fiduciary/guardian be assigned by the court. The VA is required by law when a finding is made and not disputed to contact law enforcement of the finding. The VA operates under its own laws outside of the normal courts with all policy being interpretation of congress passed laws. Any issues we have with VA start with congress!



posted on Jun, 1 2014 @ 12:22 AM
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a reply to: NativeLight

Here is the truth as I have seen it from the VA. I am a County Service Officer that does battle with the VA daily on behalf of veterans. The words and the letter referenced are real.

I work in Active Duty (military) healthcare. The troops are being 'conditioned' to accept this as a normal course of events. I'm sure the stigma of being labeled 'crazy' keeps them shut-up.

It's an insidious pattern of unbelievable action and proportion. Even I question people's sanity when I know they're armed.

The government (both the left and the right) are coming for your guns inch-by-inch and step-by-step.



posted on Jun, 1 2014 @ 01:43 AM
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a reply to: ANNED

What do they do that for? Is that something they do to veterans guns? Like guns he kept from military? Or what?
Here as far as I know they don't do anything like that.

What about the guns made them want to be taken? Where are you from?



posted on Jun, 1 2014 @ 03:47 AM
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originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: ANNED

What do they do that for? Is that something they do to veterans guns? Like guns he kept from military? Or what?
Here as far as I know they don't do anything like that.

What about the guns made them want to be taken? Where are you from?


I am from calif and the cops are well know for it.

they are also known for getting phone call from the spouse of the people with mental health concerns and going to the home after hours to pick up the guns from the spouse. These guns are not turned in and many times the cops sell them or add them to there collection



posted on Jun, 1 2014 @ 05:50 AM
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a reply to: ANNED

Is it specific type? I mean if they are legal guns and the survived by are not felons or not allowed to own guns, then I don't see why they would be taken.

I had a family member pass and she had 8 or so guns including a semi auto (legal) 9 mm with 30 round stick mag, My uncles just picked them up from her house. Actually there were drugs too that we just threw out (i've heard of cops raiding houses when terminal patients die - to gather their drugs).

I mean we have our problems (corruption that got a half dozen cops fired here, and a mayor caught up in a child porn sting) most recently a cop murdering a 17 year old girl who drove past him as he was stopping cars at a party he decided to bust up (in Henderson ky - it was posted here i think).

But nothing like Cali. Jesus. We have had school shootings (one of the early ones) but it was like 20 years ago and nothing like that since and never cracked down on our guns. We are pretty loose about them here. You go in, find a gun you like, pay for it (or if you have to you can do payments where you get it after you pay it off), and you are walking out of the store with it (as long as you are legal to own it. you fill out a paper and they make a 2 minute phone call).

Cali already has insane gun laws, I don't know what else they want. Their next step I believe will be to limit how many guns a person can own. The "manifesto" that was so anti gun in the isla vista shooting pointed out that he was happy with how the waiting list turned out (roll eyes) and he emphasized his need for 3 guns in case one jammed (i guess he didn't research revolvers).

That's just mind blowing to me that they come to collect guns. How do they even know who has them? I mean are people not allowed to sell or give guns as gifts? My dad gave me one when i was younger. Is it only vets? If so why? Considering they are no different than civilians after they go off active duty. Do they do it to civilians? Do vets in cali have to register in a different way?



posted on Jun, 1 2014 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: AutumnWitch657

no, i think what people are against, is the federal government making up whatever it has to, to declare someone unfit....

of course nobody is ok with unstable or dangerous people having guns....but what if i had the power, and i didn't agree with you, so i declared you unfit, and took away your guns, just because i can? THIS is what people take issue with...



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