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posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 09:59 AM
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Okay, this may seem a bit weird, but bare with me....

Last night, I woke up around 2 or 3, sometime in the middle of the night, I wasn't quite all the way awake, kinda half and half. I remember feeling this overwhelming fear, but had no idea why. Then a few seconds after I "kinda" woke up, there was a strange sound/vibration in my head. The only way I can describe it would be like haveing your head next to a really loud speaker and hearing feedback. The sound/vibration wasn't constant at first, it would fade in and out. It would fade all the way in, last about 2 seconds, then fade out and be silent for about 5-7 seconds. This repeated for about 5 - 10 minutes. Then I remember thinking "Whatever you are, whoever you are, make yourself known instead of coming and going!" As soon as I thought that, it came back and stayed constant for about 2 minutes. I remember the time because I have a bright clock radio right next to my side of the bed, and I was watching it waiting for this to stop. After about 2 minutes of it occuring constantly, it went away, faded back in and out just a few more times, then was totally gone. I remember looking around the room, and there was nothing unusual that I could see or here, besides this. My wife and our 2 year old son were both in the bed and they were totally out of it.

This has actually happened to me quite a few times before, but I've never told anyone about it, and I have never had any idea what it is. It happens a couple times a year, and has been happening since my childhood. There is nothing unusual that I remember, I don't have paranormal things happen to me at all, although sometimes I wish I did!

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read, and if anyone has any idea what it could be, I would appreciate it.




posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 04:14 PM
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"I remember feeling this overwhelming fear, but had no idea why"

Someone close to you as in possibly living with you is elect. The elect astral project, induce dreams, telepathically say things, inflict the brain with pulses of energy (a feeling you wouldnt like), cause energy to slighting cause a burning sensation, can make you feel an overwelming fear particually when you're just trying to get sleep in bed (a feeling that might have a theme sometimes in it of a "I cant believe I'm going to have to die").

Whoever keeps on doing those things to you could be watching you as we speak with their astral body. Ever done something and then later when you went to sleep you had a dream sort of concerning something only you think you knew you done? If so, then you're been spied upon by remote viewing and then that remote veiwer induced their dream into your mind while you were in a sleeping state.

Even though someone elect could be sleeping, their astral body is up and awake. The kind of things the elect can do could carry on through the night.

You ever get any feeling as if you're definitly getting some kind of a strong abnormal vibe coming off from somebody?

O, and yes, I've experenced the things the elect can do. They arent called the children of light for no reason.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 05:41 PM
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First I want to say that I've read both your post and SR2's reply to your post (which I think is truly an amazing analogy for what they see as happening to you.)

I've done quite a bit of research that pertains to different issues associated with *sleep* and only one other time had I read about the possibility of an external force being the culprit of such events like the one you've described.

Anyway, I could offer some other possibilities, and some aren't related at all to anything "paranormal"some of the things we might consider as weird things that can happen to us during the inbetween sleep state, can be as simple as internal worries and stresses that tend to negatively affect or interrupt our actual sleep/dream state.

So before looking into what SR2 has suggested, you might want to start somewhere a little simpler in terms of some unseen/unknown culprit and first look at the things in your life and your mind or household that may be affecting your sleep. After you've looked at all the feasable possibilities first, then you may want to consider that someone/something external may be the cause of your nightly/early morning events.

Another thing to consider is that you had a feeling of overwhelming fear, but had no idea why. This alone could be related to something you may be repressing within yourself. It could be something that has happened to you in the past that is trying to come to surface, or it could be something you are worried about happening, in fact there are often times a number of reasons why we repress things which may begin to surface by some triggered emotion or event. And unfortunately, the best way for repressed things to come to surface is when we are most likely to allow them to, and that is when we sleep and dream.

I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with you, on the contrary, I'm suggesting that you are human and you are more than likely always in control and responsible for the things that happen to you when you sleep. (Even though you might not be aware of that fact.)

If or when it becomes evident to you that some external force is mucking around with you, THEN there are solutions and precautions that you may need to be aware of to cease this and prevent it from happening again.

Best of luck to you in you quest to uncover the reason(s) behind these annoying and strange events. I can relate to your curiosity and frustration as I've had similar things happen to me in the past.
Mags



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 06:06 PM
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This is very fascinating! I was wondering if you could tell us more about elect people and, if possible, provide some links with further info.

Dalepmay--
Your experiences don't sound so strange to me, and while I am not sure if it is the same exactly, I have had similar phenomena at high stress/anxiety times in my life. I think that Magestica's advice was great. No need to automatically assume there is anything paranormal here. The brain is very powerful and there are a lot of strange feelings under the umbrella of sleep disturbances.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 06:24 PM
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It would seem like a sleep disorder very akin to narcolepsy or "old hag". Different people have different experiences. I am not a neurologist, but I do remember that it has something to do with part of the brain waking up and part of the brain being still at rest. It is quite a common occurence in times of psychic or physical stress (but can manifest itself totally at random) and it's really a scary experience. All of those who suffered from it woke up suddenly and found that they couldn't move. Most people felt an overpowering fear, some reported a sensation of "something near" (be it an hushed sound or a shadow) and some even felt something heavy on their chests. The worst thing is the sensation of complete lack of power or defense: you can't move, or talk, you are just there, lying in your bed, with growing fear for what is happening. I am not playing with you: it happened to myself a couple of times and when I regained control of my bodily functions I immediately jumped out of the bed and refused to get back to sleep, even if it was in the heart of the night. I didn't hear any sound but felt "the presence": I later went over it with professional help and found that it was probably a paranoid reaction to my helpless state or a "dream" coming from the sleeping part of my brain (like, probably, your case). The general suggestion from a good specialist is quite simple: do NOT take any sleeping drug. If it's a single occurence, there is no need to worry. If it's happening again, the only lasting solution is to get to root of the problem. A long vacation, or some physical excercise before going to bed are good solutions, as is drinking warm milk or a good herbal thysane (not tea, which contains caffeine) a little before going to bed. Hope this made you feel a little better.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 06:25 PM
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Okay, another thing that has always happened to me in my sleep since I was a child, is that I can always wake myself up whenever I want. No matter what kind of dream I am having, or how uncomfortable the situation in the dream, I have always been able to wake up on command just by opening my eyes. I have never had trouble waking up when I want to until last night. When these sounds/vibrations/whatever were going in and out of my head, I thought to myself, I know I can wake up whenever I want, so Wake Up! And it didn't work. I had a strange feeling that something else was in more control than I was. I know I was about half awake, because I was aware of my surroundings, and aware of my thoughts, but it was like there was another force trying to force me back into sleep, and I was trying to stop it. When I "told" it to make itself known, and it stayed for a couple minutes, I remember thinking "Go ahead and do whatever you want, you won't win." That is when it finally faded away. Then I was completely awake. And when I went back to sleep, it did not return. So as far as it being something that is in my own mind, I am not sure, because I was trying to force it away and it was being stubborn at first. I don't know, it sure sounds like you guys know more about this stuff than me! That is why I figured I'd better start a post after all these years. Thanks for the responses, and keep them coming!



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 06:30 PM
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A couple more things, I don't take any kind of drugs at all, never have. I do not have any major stress in my life right now. And I was not "sleep paralyzed". I was turning my head to look at the clock, looking to make sure my wife and son were still asleep. I have read these forums about sleep paralysis before, so while this was happening, I made sure to move different parts of my body to make sure that wasn't what was happening. So I'm kind of out of ideas.

As far as it being someone else (astral body, elect, whatever), is there anyway I can try to control my thoughts throughout sleeping, so I can maybe determine who it is, or at least where they are coming from, or any kind of clues?



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by dalepmay I do not have any major stress in my life right now.

As far as it being someone else (astral body, elect, whatever), is there anyway I can try to control my thoughts throughout sleeping, so I can maybe determine who it is, or at least where they are coming from, or any kind of clues?


Your first two affirmations are that you do not have any major stresses in your life right now Which only you would know of and thus answer truthfully. But that's the thing, you don't have to have "major stresses" in your life to cause sleep disorders, they can be so small and meaningless to you that in fact you may be totally unaware that you have them. Also if you've previously been through and conquered something stressful, your mind may be in the process of evaluating and healing itself, which may cause disturbances in your sleep process.

Another thing that may be affecting your sleep is that you mentioned your son is in the bed with you and your wife. Not to blame either of them, but perhaps such close sleeping arrangements in itself can be affecting you? For several reasons, one of which may be that you might be picking up on one of their stresses or worries, if not both of theirs, so you'd be correct to say that you don't have any major stresses, but what about one of them? If so, it seems very logical to me that due to the bond you have with your family and the closeness that you share ie, sleeping together, you could very well be empathetic to something that they are projecting when they sleep. Anyway, it's something worthy of consideration. I sometimes seem stressed to others when in actuality I'm not, and this is because I realise that I carry some of the stress or worries of some of the people I love dearly.

Another thing you might want to try is rearranging your bed to a different location. I know it may sound silly, but it has always worked for me and many I've heard testimonies from, that moving your bed to face a different location/direction can dramatically reduce sleep disorders and even dispel nightmares. (I was having terrible nightmares earlier this year that would startle me awake and leave me in a state that I was actually afraid to go back to sleep again in fear I may have a repeat of the dream type scenerio.) As it turned out, my head was facing East. Well we all know that there is a great deal of violence, death and war going on in the East, so without hesitation I moved my bed to face north and from that point on, I slept very peacefully for the rest of my duration in that location. I don't know if it was chance, mind over matter, or if there is some truth to this theory, what I can say is that it worked! And has worked for me since. And it was a totally harmless manoeuvre that certainly beats stressing over or searching for unseen entities that may be causing disruptions in your sleep.

Like I said before and I'll stress to you again, start small and work your way up, because it really is usually something logical that causes sleep trouble(s). There is no need to go applying anything extraordinary first, otherwise you might miss the true culprit and then you're all the way back to square one and if you weren't stressed before, you just might bring yourself there in the end.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 07:33 PM
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I guess that makes sense. My wife is always stressed out about work, and I am always telling her not to stress about things she can't change, either that or get a new job! And our son usually doesn't fall asleep with us, he just has an ability to sneak into our bed in the middle of the night without waking us up. Our bed already faces north, if that makes any difference. We don't really have any option, unless we want to block the sliding glass door in our room, put the bed against the closet, or block the bedroom door. So how do I prevent stress, mine or someone elses', from effecting my sleep? I know, I am so demanding aren't I?! Thanks for the help though!



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 07:39 PM
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This sounds almost exactly like the effects of sleep paralysis. Also known as "night terror" or old hag syndrome as someone else had said. Check out my thread I started to get an understanding of what sleep paralysis is, what it entails, how it comes about, others experiences, etc. Here's the link:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 07:54 PM
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In my case, I wasn't paralized. My body was actually more awake than my mind, and I couldn't totally make my mind wake up like I usually can.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by dalepmay
So how do I prevent stress, mine or someone elses', from effecting my sleep? I know, I am so demanding aren't I?! Thanks for the help though!


Well I see your dilemma. Obviously you cannot move your bed and again that may or may not help you. It is good though that your bed already faces North.


I don't think you're demanding at all. You just want answers and you've come to a good place for getting many different views and perspectives and ideas for that, that's for sure!

If it is in fact your wife stresses that are affecting your sleep then there are a number of things you can do to help both you and her and even your son(who might too be affected by her stress and worries since his sleep is also interrupted nightly) I don't know what kind of things you are willing to do though, and because there are so many different possible solutions I need to know what you are willing to do and what you may think is, how can I say..umm hogwash or a waste of time. The first thing you've done in solving the problem is discovered the underlying issue!! So probably you'll already sleep a little better tonight knowing just that.

Do you meditate or apply any kind of mind over matter techniques to your life? Do you allot a time each day or even once a week that allows each family member(including yourself) to share their positive and negative thoughts, dealings and emotions. In other words, do you have intimate time devoted to all three of you without any outside distractions? I'm sure you do, but maybe this would be a good time to release some of the things that can get cooped up inside us all and thus lead to those repressed worries that can rub off on eachother over time. It wouldn't really be that you are imposing or enforcing stress or worry onto one another, it's more for the benefit of expressing the good and relinquishing the bad and the ugly that can hinder and hamper and weigh down your spirits over time.

I'm sure you do a great job holding your family together and that you love them very much and sometimes that knowing can get really convered up or taken for granted by anyone. So it's always beneficial to revisit that area and add refreshing new thoughts and acts that show you still love yourself and your family and you hold them above all life's problems that we might have to deal with. It's most comforting for me to go to bed at night with the knowing that someone loves me and then waking up in the morning with that same affirmation
I hold that dearer to me than all other things.

Anyway, I'm not a counsellor but I know what gives me peace and joy. And I know what doesn't. Keep us posted with what happens if you wish, and I'd be glad to assist you where I can.



posted on Dec, 1 2004 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by dalepmay
A couple more things, I don't take any kind of drugs at all, never have. I do not have any major stress in my life right now. And I was not "sleep paralyzed". I was turning my head to look at the clock, looking to make sure my wife and son were still asleep. I have read these forums about sleep paralysis before, so while this was happening, I made sure to move different parts of my body to make sure that wasn't what was happening. So I'm kind of out of ideas.

As far as it being someone else (astral body, elect, whatever), is there anyway I can try to control my thoughts throughout sleeping, so I can maybe determine who it is, or at least where they are coming from, or any kind of clues?


The elect have a telepathic capability which also means that sometimes what you think is your thoughts might actually be something telepathically induced by someone elect. When you're near going to sleep it is when this particular kind of inducing from the elect usually works best. I only say that from what I've eperienced. The elect could reveal themself in a dream if they wanted to. But the elect can fool you in a dream just as well. And you dont want to allow them to make you become delusional by the tricks they can play.

The elect cant hear your actual thoughts nor hear your voice with their astral body. But their human body can indeed hear your vioce. And their astral body can pick up sound from electrotic things such as radios and televisions onto tape recorders from what I noticed. And when the elect choose to communicate telepathically they do not have to use the vioce of the human self, but they can if they wanted to. And plus, the elect can transfer what they hear in their human ears into a telepathic communication to, say, somebody else that's a distance away. How they are able to do these things is by their very soul (which seem to be able to extend in an abnomaral sense) being in association with energy. So basically, the elect have what can be called a ghostly power or spiritual power.

Now those that are elect are born that way. And when their human body dies they indeed rise from the dead to be fully an elect ghost/angel/spirit.

And I hate to tell you this, but their astral body can follow a person and kind of absorb into them. Some of the elect can get their astral body to smell like a stell foul odor (which, from what I noticed, can only be acheived after some kind of grinding with someone elect that has lost their human body due to death). So, hey, it could be a stranger, somebody next door, a friend, or someone in the family (be them living with you or not).

So it's kind of like the movie "the thing" where you can never be certain of who is who. Even if you were to hear a telepathic vioce that sounded like someone you do know...it could be someone else, who is elect, who knows that someone you do know voice wise.

If your wife and/or son are not pestered by the same things that happen to yourself, then they are not to be marked off the list. But even the elect can be effect by another someone that is elect. So it may remain a mystery unless they step forth or leave a big clue. And then, even in that, there is a chance that if they say they've experience an out of body experience before (which you might take as a clue)...that out of body experience they may claim to have experienced could have been induced by someone elect. Meaning they actually arent. Yeah, the elect can make you think you're having an out of body experience where it may look as if you can see from another level or angle in what would seem to be just outside of your body which they may make you see in the vision.



posted on Dec, 1 2004 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by duh squared
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This is very fascinating! I was wondering if you could tell us more about elect people and, if possible, provide some links with further info.

Dalepmay--
Your experiences don't sound so strange to me, and while I am not sure if it is the same exactly, I have had similar phenomena at high stress/anxiety times in my life. I think that Magestica's advice was great. No need to automatically assume there is anything paranormal here. The brain is very powerful and there are a lot of strange feelings under the umbrella of sleep disturbances.



Try: www.biblegateway.com...

And read only the gospels from only the kjv.

The elect (also children of light) are mentioned by Jesus in the gospels. The problem is that many people don't realize what Jesus is actually talking about in the gospels. To make this short, Jesus was actually, in a very slick way, exposing the elect as the ones each being as God, as the Son, as the Holy Ghost, as the angels of heaven, as the Father, as the Christ, as the devil, etc. He even exposed Moses in what was really going on (lets just say that Moses definitly didnt part any sea and the 10 commandments is something the elect were behind. Other things written by the elect are of deception with a concept for control--bad enough the elect can try to control other's minds in ways with their spiritual power). Jesus told about what all happens when they raise from the dead (yeah, for a time they are full elect ghosts upon the uttermost part of the earth until they are relocated to the uttermost part of heaven which is inside of a star such as this sun first).

The only way to notice this is that you have to understand particually what "not", "no", "no man", "neither", "nor" is actually implying (the kind of soul Jesus labeled as a devil--even because the soul is not physical, but it's willed command can go unto using something that is physical such as energy--an energy that particular kind of soul is in association with).

So see how the elect's astral body fits being as the Son of the particular kind of man (Son of man) mentioned by Jesus in the gospels?

By the way, not everything in the gospel is Jesus' sayings, and it'll take time for you to notice this (many of the "he said"s arent Jesus' sayings. And few of the "Jesus said"s arent Jesus' sayings). The things as if indicated as being said by Jesus after Jesus died on the cross, is a planted lie. Pay attention to words like "saith" too because you might want to skip reading any sentence following it which you may learn why for. And last but not least, when Jesus uses the term "I" it's like him speaking of someone else in 3rd person such as the elect (this is why I say Jesus exposed the elect in the slickest way). Or you can read Jesus sayings in the sense as if someone else (with great authority) other than the elect is speaking through him (and in doing so even speaking about Jesus' self in likeness or speaking about the devil in general).



posted on Jul, 26 2005 @ 07:39 PM
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Okay, its been quite some time since my last post, and it happened again last night. This time both my wife and son were downstairs asleep. They both fell asleep on the couch watching TV and I didn't want to wake them so I went to bed by myself. After being in bed about 15 or 20 minutes, it started just as before. This time, I said in my mind, "Whatever this is, leave me the f*%& alone!" Right as I thought that, it came on strong and quick, like BAM BAM BAM BAM! for about 30 seconds, and instead of the normal feeling of fear, I had this sense that whatever it was it was really pissed off. It was so loud and strong, I remember actually wincing because the sound/feeling was so strong. That has never happened before, it has never been that strong. After about 30 seconds of that, I thought "It's gonng take more than that to scare me, so go ahead and keep it coming." And right then it stopped, and I woke myself up all the way. Like the last time, I wasn't able to wake myself up like normal while this was happening, but as soon as it stopped, I woke myself up, just like before.

[edit on 7/26/05 by dalepmay]



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 02:28 AM
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I know that demons and dark forces generally like respect, failure to regret and worship. So swearing at it probably wasn't a good idea.
So just say "i mean you no harm, and i want you to leave me alone"

Personaly I would say "i mean you no harm, and i want you out of my life, and to leave me alone". In a reocurrence I might add that "i do not want to have to seek a solution against your refusal, but i am willing to repent to god for my sins."

But don't trust me on those suggestions.
I got the first advice from someone i know who's interested in real satanism. Respest is important with these things, no need to give it excuses by being unduly rood.



posted on Jul, 11 2006 @ 09:31 PM
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Well, it's been awhile....and it happened again a couple nights ago. This time, I actually remember thinking "Well, here we go again. This oughta be fun." And I was almost taunting it so to speak. I remember thinking "Come on, is that all you got?!" Like I was almost laughing at whatever it is. After about 5 minutes of this, it finally slowed down, and I sensed it was thinking "Fine, you win this time." Then it was gone. Sorry, not very exciting, I know. Just updating.



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 03:12 AM
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I have had numerous "old hag" visits in my lifetime. I usually am unable to move at all and sometimes feel as if I am being pushed down into the mattress. The feeling subsides usually after 2-3 minutes.



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by Ajax
This sounds almost exactly like the effects of sleep paralysis. Also known as "night terror" or old hag syndrome as someone else had said. Check out my thread I started to get an understanding of what sleep paralysis is, what it entails, how it comes about, others experiences, etc. Here's the link:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


That's the first thing I thought as well. I've only experienced sleep paralysis once that I can remember and I kept hearing like someone was knocking on my bedroom door. But no one did. It was just a blur between dreaming and reality.



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