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“The three JIN [ballistic missile submarines] currently in service would be insufficient to maintain a constant at-sea presence for extended periods of time, but if the PLA Navy builds five units as some sources suggest, a continuous peacetime presence may become a viable option for the PLAN,” Karotkin noted.
Karotkin explained in his report that a number of factors have forced China to modernize its Navy, which now has more than 60 submarines, 55 medium and large amphibious ships, roughly 77 principal surface ships, and nearly 100 other small craft.
Previous satellite imagery available in Google Earth from February 2013 showed a Type 094 Jin Class SSBN and a Type 093 SSN variant at the fitting out pier of China’s Bohai shipyard No. 431. A new imagery update would suggest that those submarines had finished construction while another Type 094, measuring approximately 136 meters, had been brought out from the fabrication shop.
If confirmed, this would be the fifth Type 094 hull observed on satellite imagery.
originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: Philippines
I'd be willing to bet the Chinese actually know a few things about Nuclear physics and proper vessel construction. Umm.. The Chinese were making ships to make Europe's 'Ships of the Line' look like toys in a bathtub by size and crew strength, well before America was a place to give a name
I'll bet these are even very capable and very effective weapons platforms, just as the American military experts and men who will have to face them in combat (should it ever get there) have said they are.
I'll never understand the need to belittle our adversaries as if they are simple minded backward dolts just because they happen to be OUR adversary. China stopped being an agrarian economy built on farmers quite some time ago.
We'd be as quickly seeing seeing them talked UP and made to look very powerful if they were allies with us against some other common threat.
A leak of radioactive material was detected at a submarine base near the Chinese port city of Dalian in northern China, the U.S.-based Chinese website Boxun reported over the weekend.
An accident on board a Chinese conventional submarine has killed all of its 70 officers and crew, the official Xinhua news agency said today.
The accident, which occurred in Chinese territorial waters in recent days, was caused by mechanical problems during training, Xinhua said but gave no further details or a date.
Construction of both boat and intended missile system was a catalogue of disasters. The Xia class is slow, noisy and it's reactor is unreliable.
It was reported that the Type 094 class boats are as noisy as Soviet submarines of the 70s.
Some sources claim that these Chinese ballistic missile submarines were plagued with various problems and design flaws. By 2013 Jin class boats were never sent on deterrent patrol missions.
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The Philippines, which has its own fresh dispute with China this week after Philippine Coast Guard officials arrested someone they said was an illegal Chinese fisherman, will seek to put maritime disputes at the heart of the ASEAN confab and seek progress on a code of conduct that could give countries a peaceful way to resolve territorial disputes.
In response, Chinese state-controlled media attacked the Philippines for trying to "instigate tension" in the region by promising to bring up maritime disputes at the annual ASEAN summit.
Did China’s move surprise you?
Completely not, because we are witnessing the emergence of nationalism in China. China’s territorial disputes with its neighbours are no longer new to the world, but its provocative behaviour towards the Philippines and now Vietnam.
Do you think people from other ASEAN countries are sceptical about China’s move?
I think they certainly are, because of the emergence of nationalism in China. To date, the Philippines have been the strongest protesters. It is a bit complicated in other countries due to political and economic relations in the past and at present, but all in all doubts are growing.
originally posted by: BASSPLYR
So the chinese got themselves a early 1970 era tech submarine. Good job china ... But it's 2014 and you guys still got a long way to go with your sub tech. Meanwhile all three of those subs have probably been stalked and thoroughly analyzed by us naval assets since they've left port. Probably under hauled all of them.
originally posted by: Slickinfinity
I think war between the west and China is very unlikely and assume their beefing up of naval power is a means to secure their territorial claims in the region. I really think China will play chess well in the coming years and the USA will not intervene but I could be wrong and they very well might have bigger plans for the future. If that's the case I'd hope the USA has as good of classified military tech as I assume they do coupled with their enormous military budget would probably give the Chinese a beating in open war but the aspect of MAD really negates that possibility imo.
I am not pro-USA at all but I do respect their ability to project firepower globally and have a lot of experience doing so.
France Le Triomphant class - 4 in service
India Arihant class-INS Arihant 1 in service. 2nd to launch in 2015, total 4 to be constructed
China Type 092 - 1 in service, 1 lost Type 094 - 5 in service out of 6 planned
Russia Borei class - 1 active, 2 are in trials 7 under development in Sevmash. Typhoon class - 1 in service Delta III and Delta IV classes - 3 Delta III class in service, 6 Delta IV class in service
United Kingdom Vanguard class - 4 in service
United States Ohio class - 18 in service (of which 4 have been converted into cruise missile submarines)Text
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: mypan
China has a long way to go to even come close to that point. Even if they can build the ships, and missiles, and planes, you need the doctrine to use them. They are just now starting to become a blue water navy, and have a long way to go before they are a true force to be reckoned with. A lot more than 5 or 6 years. It took the other major navies of the world years to get their doctrines worked out to something that works for them.