A Simple Yes or No Question - Should All Humans Have Equal Rights?

ATS - A Simple Yes or No Question - Should All Humans Have Equal Rights?
Why or why not? Tell us in a way that will convince those who disagree to change their minds.

What are the 'basic rights' that should be equal for all? List them up.

What is Equal Rights? Equal rights refers to .... equality before the law; equality of basic human rights; equality of civil rights and political rights; and equal liberty for all.

Civil and Political Rights

Civil and political rights are a class of rights that protect individuals' freedom from infringement by governments and private organizations, and ensure one's ability to participate in the civil and political life of the state without discrimination or repression.

Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical and mental integrity, life and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as race, gender, national origin, colour, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, or disability; and individual rights such as privacy, the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, assembly and movement.

Political rights include natural justice (procedural fairness) in law, such as the rights of the accused, including the right to a fair trial; due process; the right to seek redress or a legal remedy; and rights of participation in civil society and politics such as freedom of association, the right to assemble, the right to petition, the right of self-defense, and the right to vote.

In a court of law, Lady Justice has a blindfold on. She judges with the scales equally for all. No special treatment due to skin color or economic/social background. People aren't supposed to get off because of race, economic situation or because of their life experiences. This is a pretty good visual on what 'equal rights' in a court is supposed to be. Blind justice. It doesn't always work out that way, but it's the way it's SUPPOSED to. So is blind justice 'equal rights'?? Why or why not?

Amnesty International declares basic human rights to be the following -

Human rights are basic rights and freedoms that all people are entitled to regardless of nationality, sex, national or ethnic origin, race, religion, language, or other status.

Human rights include civil and political rights, such as the right to life, liberty and freedom of expression; and social, cultural and economic rights including the right to participate in culture, the right to food, and the right to work and receive an education.

So is commercially obtained food a 'right' or a commodity? Is state sponsored education a right? How about the 'right to work'?? How can that be a 'right' when having a paying job requires abilities that the person may not have, and it requires a job being available that might not be there ... etc??

This declaration was signed by nearly everyone, including many Islamic countries. However, a number of Islamic countries refused to implement this declaration stating that the 'equal rights for all' declaration goes against Sharia religious law which run their countries.
Declaration of Human Rights - United Nations General Assembly December 10 1948
Some excerpts -

Article 16.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17.

(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Does the United Nations declaration do a good job of listing what basic rights people should have, or would you change it?

What about the countries that refuse to engage in equal basic human rights?

How does the rest of the planet get them onboard? Do they have a basic right not to engage in basic human rights?

Can basic human rights be applied equally without turning the world into a nanny state? Or should we have a nanny state to make sure everyone does equally get their basic human rights? Maybe it's needed since there are extremists who want to take away that which should naturally be a given ...

Should all humans have equal rights? ... looks like a simple yes or no question. But there sure is a lot behind it. I look forward to seeing what lists people have of exactly what 'basic human rights' are that need to be equal for all humans.

No.....sex crimes .. nuff said

Yes. Unless, of course, you deliberately and knowingly infringe on someone else's. Or if the risks outweigh the benefits. And by risks, I mean the possibility that you or someone else will be unlawfully harmed as a direct consequence.

originally posted by: robbeh
No.....sex crimes .. nuff said

Sex crimes provide justification for denying equal rights?

Yes,
At the bottom of this discussion is a very simple world. Another question is, should all people have the same freedom of choice. Or, what should we not have the rights/entitlements to.

Equal rights? Equal opportunity? Equal access? Very tough questions.

Once all competition is eliminated by TPTB, then all humans will have equal rights all over the world...absolutely none!

... Well, that is unless you believe the powers that be to be humans too...

a reply to: FlyersFan

In this context, we are talking about rights that are granted or protected by a government. So I can only answer in the context of what I think should be the case for the country I live in, which is the United States.

So in that context, yes, all humans who are living within the United States (citizen or not) should have equal rights. I don't have to define what these rights are because the Constitution does that.

I can't say that I think all humans all over the world should have equal rights, because that would mean that if some backwards country wanted to give their citizens the right to murder their own wives....I would be saying that all humans should have that right.

So that is why my answer is limited in scope to the context I have given.

No.
I don't consider a murderer, rapist or traitor as being equal.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Yes.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is correct.
In my opinion.
S/F

ETA after reading other responses:
Those who infringe on the rights of others should face consequences, so sex crimes and rapists and other psycho/sociopathic behaviors are prohibited by the UDHR....and punished accordingly.

In particular, I'm miffed (and that's a huge understatement) about the FECKING BANKSTERS getting away with shafting all of us.
NO ONE is "too big to fail". NO ONE is "too rich to do time."

NO ONE.

originally posted by: thesaneone
No.
I don't consider a murderer, rapist or traitor as being equal.

So everyone who is a criminal ought to be treated as an animal? Is that the definition of justice these days?

Yes, all humans should have equal rights. But considering the way our governments and society as a whole is designed, we will not see true equal rights.

I know this will get me in trouble with some of you, but the only way to ensure each individual gets equal rights is if we move towards a more socialist society. Each person would be guaranteed food, water, housing, clothing, medicine.....the basic needs in life.

Yup of course but according to some here a pregnant lady whom got stoned to death shouldn't have those rights because she disobeyed her family.

Anyone got a human rights charter list to see which countrys signed it?.

originally posted by: robbeh
No.....sex crimes .. nuff said

not enough for me. I don't understand your answer at all.

Yes, everyone should have equal rights. No-brainer.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Anyone got a human rights charter list to see which countrys signed it?.

List found here .
And yes, Pakistan signed it.

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Each person would be guaranteed food, water, housing, clothing, medicine.....the basic needs in life.

Basic human rights for you would include commodities.
That would indeed require a more socialistic world government.

Yes.

Equal rights? Equal opportunity? Equal access? Yes, Yes, Yes.

The problem with humankind is that there is a lot of interest groups that do not allow equal opportunity and in fact enslave people in Systematic Ponzi schemes with debt based economy in the name of their freedom to be greedy even if it kills people and cause a lot of suffering. And the corrupt politicians and media follow these masters of economy. Roman empire part 2.

It is 2000 years since Jesus. Providing the basics for all humans on this planets is manageable and any excuse for not doing it is not valid whatever governing system or economic system you believe in.

originally posted by: AfterInfinity
Yes. Unless, of course, you deliberately and knowingly infringe on someone else's.

Then should there be a list in descending order?
1 - Right to life.
2 - Right to worship .. UNLESS your worship includes taking away the right to life of others.
That kind of thing.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
The problem with humankind is that there is a lot of interest groups that do not allow equal opportunity and in fact enslave people in Systematic Ponzi schemes with debt based economy in the name of their freedom to be greedy even if it kills people and cause a lot of suffering.

Is equal opportunity necessary for 'equal rights'? And if so, wouldn't you need a socialistic world government in order to implement absolute equality all through every society around the world??

originally posted by: thesaneone
No.
I don't consider a murderer, rapist or traitor as being equal.

the question is do you consider them human? They are entitled to food. Bread and water. They are entitled to a roof over their head. A prison roof. They're entitled to their religious beliefs. That they'll burn in hell.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is correct.

It is exceptionally rare for me to agree with the United Nations.
But I think they got the document correct.