originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: orangetom1999
I'm sorry but this has absolutely nothing to do with the OP.
Might be a good topic for you to post a thread about if you wanted to discuss it though.
I think the point was that atheists are smarter than they think, because the threat is bigger than they realized. Religious figures skulking in the
shadows want to turn America into a monarchy under God, presumably to set the stage for our part in a larger power struggle, and atheism is keeping
that movement at bay. That's the message I got from orangetom's post, anyway.
Wow!! Surely you jest. IIt has everything to do with the OP.
I have no use for a monarchy Nor do I have any use for religious figures in public service. I did not say I have no use for people who are Believers
in public service. Nor do I have any objection to the people using what they Believe in their voting and daily lives.
Separation of Church and State was and is intended as a limit on government and not a limit on the people as it is being practiced today. A 180 degree
reversal of what was intended by the founders.
For I know that once the Kings head was cut off in England and the Civil war ended...Oliver Cromwell..tried to get a Parliment of all Preachers..and
they did worse than the members of Parliment they replaced. Oliver Cromwell dismissed them as well.
It is not a matter of the separation of Church and state being separate..in which I believe the founders were correct....it is also a religion in the
peoples hearts..daily and the knowledge in which it played in history of the western world.
That the people were not to be limited in their religious beliefs..but only the government for the purpose of preventing a return to absolute power or
divine rigiht of kings.
A knowledge for which no one wants us to know ...ever. For within this knowledge is the knowledge of Limited Government and Revolution when man made
governments try to go back to absolute power.
Today they are trying to go back to absoulte power by secualar means..by removing from the public any vestage of religion..by corrupting it into
meaninglessness. Even unto forcing government edicts on people in getting them to go against their religious beliefs.
For it is the power which corrupts...like a drug.
The ability to extract more and more from the people to the point where the people themselves become "competitors" to the ruling
No matter by religious tyranny or by secular tyranny ..it is still absolute power in the hands of fallen corrupt men...and it is not limited
Religious tyranny took the historical form of Divine Right of kings..absolute power.
Secular tyranny takes the place of gnostic wise men believing they have a right and abilty to rule by logic and reason unto absolute power..
Either way you wind back at unlimited government and tyranny.
The Atheists will only return the governmet back to Absolute power by secular means..but it will still be absolute power and it will be corrupt.
Believe it or not ..there is such a thing as a good dictator in history and they are very very rare.
A good dictator takes all power unto themselves and then does not use it. Furthermore ...they do not allow anyone else to use it.
Thus the people must fend for themselves and make do for themselves and not cede power and production to a government regulation or "Expert." This too
is limited government.
Queen Elizabeth 1st was just such a good monarch or dictator if you like as she was basically a party girl. As long as she had her lovers, horses, and
dancers....parties..she did little ruling and the people fended for themselves and did alright for those days.
When she died she was sorely missed. England prospered under a lazy monarch.
But that is not how your history books read.
No ....the Atheists are way off the mark..not as smart as they think...and so too are many of todays ministers. The ministers are contributing to the
confusion and it ought not to be this way.
The Churches ..most of them have tax numbers...issued by government. This is why many ministers do not teach this about religious relationship to
limited government and revolution...because they fear being audited.
Having government issued tax numbers is not separation of church and state on the part of the churches and also on the part of the government.
Churches should be tax immune..not tax exempt. For this too is a scam by both the churches and government.
A church should never have a government issued tax number...meaning they are a corporation..a creature of the state..because this is not separation of
church and state..both the ministers and government are lying to the people about this one..big time.
I know of five churches who do not have government issued tax numbers and will not get one. They are free to teach and to preach the whole council of
God...not politically correct religion. And they teach and preach this about the history of the western world and the part religion played in it..and
Any good atheist with knowledge should be able to figure this one out for themselves..but do you ever hear one trying to explain this to people to get
them to think for themselves???
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