They are the same as your average college frat....

A bunch of guys want to have friends and feel cool because they are part of "something big"....

There is no conspiracy to take over the world or anything, they just suffer from small penis disorder and nothing more...

People join clubs to belong. Being part of a group gives some men their self esteem and a sense of self worth.

Little kids who grew out of their tree fort and now desire a bigger fort.

Originally posted by superstring
They are the same as your average college frat....

You obviously are unaware of the details of either. The fact they are fraternities is the only resemblance.

Originally posted by superstringA bunch of guys want to have friends and feel cool because they are part of "something big"....

Being a freemason is nothing to do with kudos, or social status. It is a personal thing differing for each of brethren. No two join for the same reason and they are not all of the same character, or social standing.

Originally posted by superstringThere is no conspiracy to take over the world or anything

At least you got one thing right

Originally posted by superstringthey just suffer from small penis disorder and nothing more...

Well done, very information and full of factual information. Didn't realise you were so in touch with every freemason, or that you had a fascination with male genitalier

Maybe next time you will wait till you have something interesting, or even a valid point before posting.

Originally posted by Justanotherperson
People join clubs to belong. Being part of a group gives some men their self esteem and a sense of self worth.

Little kids who grew out of their tree fort and now desire a bigger fort.

All valid points but not the only ones. It is a shame that some people need a group to feel they belong, or gain self esteem, but believe it or not some poeple join clubs/groups/fraternities because they believe in the cause, or its teachings.

It is also true that some join because they feel they will personally gain due to membership, or gain perks in life, the list is endless.

The decision to join is a personal one and no one reason will cover all members of any group.

Wow. The cowans are out in force today.

Someone, who is not a Freemason . . . telling Freemasons why there is "nothing special" about it.

Already two warns to his credit . . . that speaks volumes.

I dont really know much about free masonry, but i wish i was a mason.

I heard that free masons well some know abit about Illuminati.

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Originally posted by superstring
There is no conspiracy to take over the world or anything, they just suffer from small penis disorder and nothing more...

They have all the power they need already before you start giving me spin, check this.

The motto "et in arcadia ego" is chiseled into stone (masonry anyone?) near the houses of parliament here in the netherlands. This motto is most commonly known from Nicolas Poussins painting "les bergeres de l'Arcadie" depicting a tomb with this motto inscribed on it. Now Poussin was known to be a member of the Priory of Sion (a french branch of masonry).

So thats one seat of power that bears a big tag by the boys... wonder who has the say there then...

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The main speculations I have heard are that once you become a 32 degree freemason you have the ability to join the illuminati. And that the illuminati was created by a mason and therefore must be linked.

Other speculations with reference to the illuminati include...

...the illuminati are made up of the 13 richest families and members are made through bloodlines only. Not one of the 13 then amrry into one or your not joining.

...illuminati members are invited and can join by no other means

... if you are in the top 100 richest of your country you will be sent an invitation from an unknown origin which is the illuminati

I wouldn't necessarily believe all you hear. If you want to find out about them just research, there are 000,000's of resources on the net.

Originally posted by Corinthas
They have all the power they need already before you start giving me spin, check this.

Wouldn't mind knowing how you know this. Have you any sources to back up your conclusion, as I cannot see any in your post.

The motto "et in arcadia ego" is chiseled into stone (masonry anyone?) near the houses of parliament here in the netherlands.

The motto can be found in numerous places, especially tomb stones and cemetaries.

This motto is most commonly known from Nicolas Poussins painting "les bergeres de l'Arcadie" depicting a tomb with this motto inscribed on it.

The earliest representation of the theme was by Guercino (Galleria Corsini, Rome) which shows two shepherds coming unexpectedly upon a skull - the typical memento mori - that lies on a piece of fallen masonry bearing the words 'Et in Arcadia ego'.

The phrase is thought to be referring to death, and using the area of Arcadia in greece to give greater meaning to the phrase.

In the hands of Poussin who made two versions the sense was gradually modified. Shepherds are seen before a tomb deciphering the inscription with an air of melancholy curiosity. The skull is no longer significant or is omitted. The words now seem to imply an epitaph on the person - perhaps a shepherdess - who lies entombed: 'I too once lived in Arcady', an alteration to the meaning that somewhat stretches the grammar of the original Latin. The other, less severe version of the subject by Poussin is at Chatsworth.

So thats one seat of power that bears a big tag by the boys... wonder who has the say there then...

I think I am confused as I see no reference to a seat of power, who sits in it or in fact what power the seat has. I am not sure what point you are trying to make could you possibly elborate for me.

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Originally posted by Bondi

Wouldn't mind knowing how you know this. Have you any sources to back up your conclusion, as I cannot see any in your post.

Ok it might have been implied but it wasn't that well hidden.

What i was suggesting was this:

If, like i showed, the dutch parliament is not hiding it roots and is indeed a center of masoic power. Then it would be entirely resonable to conclude there are probably more. does that help?


I can go on... how about the map of Washing ton and the masonic symbology there? Wonder who runs the show there

The BBC had a documetary on the city (town by US standards) of Bath in the UK. Here this masonic architect John Wood (no way.. a masonic architect?!?!) who built a key and a cresent moon into the city (all masonic symbols). The documentary actually went so far as to film the inside of a masonic temple to show you all of the symbols present there.


Explain that away with your oh we just get together for tea and cakes excuses. Especially the situation in Wshington D.C.

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Hmmm.... thats funny.. no one telling me there is no conspiracy. Hard to argue with facts isn't it?

Originally posted by Corinthas
Ok it might have been implied but it wasn't that well hidden.

Wouldn't you think they would do a better job of hiding it :?:, and implication does determine truth.

If, like i showed, the dutch parliament is not hiding it roots and is indeed a center of masoic power. Then it would be entirely resonable to conclude there are probably more. does that help?

What roots? The fact there is a motto chiseled in a piece of stone, not actually on the parliment building, but just near it in Holland, that has been used by a bloke who has really stretched the translation boundaries, who is not the only one to use and definetly not the first, who happens to be a member of an organization in France, that is not the Freemasons.

Now if you can link the two organisations then it could add a little validity to you point, although still would not come close to prove it.

the map of Washing ton and the masonic symbology there? Wonder who runs the show there

Washington street plans are made of straight lines and 90 degree angles you can make any picture you want there. You can make the symbol of the cross if you can make a square and compass, but I don't see you claiming that the place is run by christians.

The BBC had a documetary... Here this masonic architect John Wood who built a key and a cresent moon into the city (all masonic symbols).

I can't believe it, an architect or any designer putting his own ideas and principles into their creations, how dare they. I mean if mozart put any personal thought or idea into his symphonies, well they just wouldn't be any good would they.

The documentary actually went so far as to film the inside of a masonic temple to show you all of the symbols present there.

The symbols of freemasonry are no secret any way.

Explain that away with your oh we just get together for tea and cakes excuses. Especially the situation in Wshington D.C.

Never seen cakes and tea mentioned regardin masonic meetings, now goat skulls, drinking blood, devil worshipping, I have seen all that accused but I guess you must do things a little.

Explain that away with your

You have presumed I am a mason? Have you never heard someone defend a cause even though they are not members? Common presumption made over and over again.

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Originally posted by Bondi
What roots? The fact there is a motto chiseled in a piece of stone, not actually on the parliment building, but just near it in Holland, that has been used by a bloke who has really stretched the translation boundaries, who is not the only one to use and definetly not the first, who happens to be a member of an organization in France, that is not the Freemasons.

The distance between the engraving and the parliament is close enough to be considered linked. I understand the Priory of Sion (PoS) and Fremmasonry are seperate, but from what i have been reading inevitably linked.

Washington street plans are made of straight lines and 90 degree angles you can make any picture you want there. You can make the symbol of the cross if you can make a square and compass, but I don't see you claiming that the place is run by christians.

I dont see you denying my initial claim either.

I can't believe it, an architect or any designer putting his own ideas and principles into their creations, how dare they. I mean if mozart put any personal thought or idea into his symphonies, well they just wouldn't be any good would they.

His own ideas? You must have misread... MASONIC IDEAS AND SYMBOLS! Makes you wonder who commissinoed the building, one of his little club mates most likely.

Do you know where the word "Civilazation" comes from?

From Civis, City.

Cities are made up of buildings, these, in turn, are made from stone work, wich is also known as MASONRY. Makes you wonder who built them...

Look it goes deep OK? No point in arguing that.

I don't however imagine a big underground lair with a world map with flashing lights, a la James Bond but their influence and power runs deep. No doubt about it.. like i have shown the evidence is there if you look.

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Originally posted by Corinthas
The distance between the engraving and the parliament is close enough to be considered linked.

Let's say they are linked, who chose the motto, who constructed the building. Surely it would be easier to show a mason designed the bulding it is on than trying to get people to believe the power of freemasonry by 101 different possible links, overexaggeration used to make the point.

I understand the Priory of Sion (PoS) and Fremmasonry are seperate, but from what i have been reading inevitably linked.

What are you reading, be sure the link isn't just people being members of both as is normally the case. It's the organisation you need to link not their members.

I dont see you denying my initial claim either.

I am not trying to debunk your claim, I am merely saying that with your theory you could near enough blame any group that has a symbol with straight lines and symbols. If you understood your own claim you would of replied with the buildings located at the particular points of interest, which to me shows you are merely repeating other persons claims and not investigating them prior to using them.

You must have misread... MASONIC IDEAS AND SYMBOLS! Makes you wonder who commissinoed the building, one of his little club mates most likely.

He wouldn't of been a mason if his own ideas were not that of or similar to freemasons. There would be no point.

Who did commision the building? I thought the hole place had the symbolism not just one building? At least stick to a story

If it was anything like BBC's normal programs that is one of the details it would of mentioned.

Cities are made up of buildings, these, in turn, are made from stone work, wich is also known as MASONRY. Makes you wonder who built them...

I'm sorry, are you trying to tell me freemasonry built every building in the world because it is made of stone?

Look it goes deep OK? No point in arguing that.

I am not arguing with you, I wouldn't even argue if you were posting anything that made sense, I simply questioned your source and reason as there is no fact to interpret.

I don't however imagine a big underground lair with a world map with flashing lights, a la James Bond

that would be a good one. If you create a website that says there is, some one will post here within a month of you publishing it to the net.

but their influence and power runs deep. No doubt about it.. like i have shown the evidence is there if you look.

I have denied that they may hold some influence, or power? Merely questioned the prove of it.
And I am afraid you have shown no actual evidence here. Opinion and used previously debunked, continually re-written and some what imagined information. This is no attack to you, it is easy to get caught up in the many many websites and books out there.

Hmmm.... thats funny.. no one telling me there is no conspiracy. Hard to argue with facts isn't it?

Statements like that may land you in conflict with people on these types of sites, it can take time to formulate answers and ensure people quote fact and not fictitous rumour. Give peopel a chance before getting too blarza.

No i did not say they built every building in the world.

What am am saying is they were involved with architecture and building.
The urbanization of the West must have suited them grately therefore.

In fact didn't they blossom during the period of great urbanization in Europe?

Originally posted by Corinthas
No i did not say they built every building in the world.

previously stated by Corinthas
Cities are made up of buildings, these, in turn, are made from stone work, wich is also known as MASONRY. Makes you wonder who built them...

What was your point then, the fact they were made from stone, being the strongest material available at the time it is sense not masonic influence.

{quote]What am am saying is they were involved with architecture and building.
The urbanization of the West must have suited them grately therefore.

Would imagine it must have suited a lot of different people

In fact didn't they blossom during the period of great urbanization in Europe?

What period was this? Century? Decade? Year?

You haven't responded to your presumption that I am a mason, was it merely a gramatical error, or was it just presumption. I have to ask because people always treat me as if I am a mason due to my questioning and what they see as siding and never actually ask.