Prove Evolution Is False - Even Without the Bible

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: hudsonhawk69

hudsonhawk:
"Since the vector of environmental change through time is effectively random, if organisms under Modern Evolutionary Synthesis are tracking those changes then you are not going to generate a directional pattern of evolution leading to the development of higher, more complex or significantly different organisms."

Quotation by another author should be credited as their thought; not fumble/bumbled into your argument.

Read it in context that I first said it in further up the page. There is no fumbling...

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Yes, even if you can't quite grasp it.

Buildings don't put themselves together, cars do not
put themselves together. Planets do not put themselves together
and neither did the universe. It would be anytrhing but natural
to see a new species of tree building itself. So evolution is believed
by people who are grasping at straws. You must have a problem with
someone having absolute authority over you. Because if you believe
evolution, you have no business knocking creationists.

originally posted by: babybunnies
To deny Evolution is to deny what is immediately obvious to even the most basic visual check of what you can see around you in every day life.

How so? Last time I checked there was no explainable force to drive the mechanisms of evolution to cause the evolution of organism into more complex life forms...

Dogs and wolves are perfect examples. Dogs are not better wolves only different wolves better suited to the changing local environment in which they find themselves.

a reply to: hudsonhawk69
No context needed; it is not your personal cadence is all. It is a quote coming from another author you failed to dignify by identifying.
If I am wrong I apologize in advance.

originally posted by: babybunnies
The prime example of evolution is DOG.

Every breed that isn't wolf has been bred in about the last 150 years.

The ignorants will say either;

-Human influence
-Still wolf

turning a blind eye to the fact that genetic changes has taken place in the then-wolf and now wolf and dog are not the same.

Oh and also some will say "its just micro evolution" so they can discredit evolution....

originally posted by: babybunnies
The prime example of evolution is DOG.

Every breed that isn't wolf has been bred in about the last 150 years.

A hundred and fifty years?



WTF?

a reply to: randyvs
Some breeds; such as the Scottish Cairn Terrier are 300 Plus years old; (are vicious stubborn tiny pack dogs) but no where near resemble their supposed ancestor wolves. Millions of years of evolution without human involvement.

originally posted by: luciddream

originally posted by: babybunnies
The prime example of evolution is DOG.

Every breed that isn't wolf has been bred in about the last 150 years.

The ignorants will say either;

-Human influence
-Still wolf

turning a blind eye to the fact that genetic changes has taken place in the then-wolf and now wolf and dog are not the same.

Oh and also some will say "its just micro evolution" so they can discredit evolution....

Like I said...

Last time I checked there was no explainable force to drive the mechanisms of evolution to cause the evolution of organism into more complex life forms... Dogs and wolves are perfect examples. Dogs are not better wolves only different wolves better suited to the changing local environment in which they find themselves.

How similar dogs wolves and dogs are is irrelevant. They are still in the same family. You might say this is proof of speciation or evolution but what does that really show? There is no known force to drive this mechanism toward the greater complexity of the organism over time.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

And the doberman? Consider my avatar?

a reply to: Rob48

Er no.

The two questions for the present-day scientist re life are:

Is there a creator?

How did DNA evolve?

Prejudice:

preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: vethumanbeing

And the doberman? Consider my avatar?

The animated Doberman evolved into a wooden Egyptian sarcophagus wearing modern sunglasses (all by itself). How to explain this scientifically?

originally posted by: randyvs

Is evolution dependent on abiogenesis or creation?

Nope

I ask because as you said, evolution does not and can not explain how life began.

Evolution does not have to explain how life begin, it only talks about variation of species.

If it doesn't include how life began it is then dependent on that
explanation. So evolution discredits itself just fine without
creationists because creationism is dependent on nothing. Creation
in all truth is intolerable to evolution, so that leaves abiogenesis.

What are you talking about?
Why would something gets discredited when its not even trying to prove that?

Its like you going to hospital and doctor telling you "i cant help you. i didn't see you get conceived or born therefore i have no idea what is going on with your body"

"And abiogenesis faces all the impossibilities that evolutions believers
avoid in the way you just did.

Science doesn't spend time on Abiogensis because its pretty impossible to prove or recreate.

Everything would be easy if a book tells you everything in a simple format and lays everything out for..you know.. don't have to think... Sorry real life doesn't work like that.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I never said you have no sense of humor.
Now I can't.

a reply to: luciddream

What are you talking about?

The over glaring obvious fact that evolution doesn't
happen unless something else happens first. I don't
go to the hospital without something else happening
first. nothing hard to understand if you grasp evolution.

Then why can't we find our modern animal's bones in from sediments 500 millions years ago? they surely existed then right? since they don't change

Good point, the fossil record shows that life on earth has gone through many different phases of different animals.

So how do you explain vestigial legs in whales without evolution?

a reply to: randyvs
Common sense is not so common after all.

a reply to: luciddream

Everything would be easy if a book tells you everything in a simple format and lays everything out for..you know.. don't have to think... Sorry real life doesn't work like that.

Life would work like that, if we hadn't dispensed with
God in the Garden. I tend to understand what the Bible says
whereby man having God as an oracle. Would be far more productive
than man misguiding himself thru trial and error, back to the drawing
board over and over and over again. Only to an inevitable outcome
of blowing his dumbass out of existence completely. Or radiating the
whole earth. Don't tell me how real life works, you have a hard enough
time telling me how evolution works.

originally posted by: CB328

Then why can't we find our modern animal's bones in from sediments 500 millions years ago? they surely existed then right? since they don't change

Good point, the fossil record shows that life on earth has gone through many different phases of different animals.

So how do you explain vestigial legs in whales without evolution?

There is evidence. Specie "Andrewsarkus" discovered in the late '90s'. A whale that eventually became what we now know as the swine/pig hooved specie. Bacon originally was a whale, escaping the ocean environment to become one of mans favorite foodstuffs.

one more thread disproving evolution by demonstrating that they dont know what evolution actually is. where is phantom423, i hear s/he has put up a pretty good site for that kind of thing.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: luciddream

Everything would be easy if a book tells you everything in a simple format and lays everything out for..you know.. don't have to think... Sorry real life doesn't work like that.

Life would work like that, if we hadn't dispensed with

God in the Garden. I tend to understand what the Bible says

whereby man having God as an oracle. Would be far more productive

than man misguiding himself thru trial and error, back to the drawing

board over and over and over again. Only to an inevitable outcome

of blowing his dumbass out of existence completely. Or radiating the

whole earth. Don't tell me how real life works, you have a hard enough

time telling me how evolution works.

it is not they who have a hard time explaining, it is you who prides yourself in refusing to listen. you have no grasp of the theory of evolution (theory, not hypothesis like creationism) as you have flaunted on previous occasion. you flat out admitted your ignorance - check your thread history if you need reminding. and you sure as hell didnt come here to be educated in the subject. what exactly is the point in your being here?