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California Shootings Elliot Rodger Conspiracy.

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posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: DelMarvel
You mean people that put themselves in the spotlight? I have known quite a few people murdered, and not a single relative/friend/acquaintance decided to talk to the media, ever, let alone a day or two after. I am supposed to take people that partake in agenda filled press conferences seriously? Instead of you know, doing the normal thing when people you love die, and mourning the loss with the family?


You are correct, I also know someone whose son committed a mass killing by bomb. She did not talk to the press, she did not eat or sleep and she didn't leave her home for months, people who love her went to her and stayed with her and she did what people in this kind of pain do, they sleep and cry and work through shock.




posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:45 AM
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originally posted by: cestrup
a reply to: boymonkey74

Honestly, what are you doing in this forum? If what I spout is idiotic and there's no proof of anything sinister, why are you here? You respond to everyone of my posts and just act like the media, which we've all seen. Here's the kicker: we ALL understand their narrative - we are here to question it and talk of the POSSIBILITY of a conspiracy. This seems ridiculous to you, right? So what gives? Why are you wasting your time and ours, reciting what we already know? If there was a flat earth forum - would you argue with them? Why?

Why don't you let us have a discussion instead of trying to trap us in some side-tracking argument? Let people post their thoughts without interjecting on every, single post that doesn't fit your creamy, authoritative plot.

Basically, we know your stance - seriously we do - we are not as stupid as you think we are... So let us discuss and maybe show a human side instead of the automated answers we ALL know you're going to respond with


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posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: Char-Lee

Thing is the Father wanted to do that maybe?. Maybe he was anti gun all along and this just proved it to him and he needed to get it off his chest.
We have no right to say he is wrong or right to be honest, his views and his right to express those views.
Everyone grieves differently.
You may not agree with what he said but it is his right to say them and just because he has said something many disagree with it doesn't give them the right to call him an actor without proof.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: Kali74




Illusion of safety? You understand what happens in mass shootings don't you? It's terrifying to think that one day you're just walking up the street on your way to whatever and a mentally ill person just starts shooting.


Maybe the eugenics crowd will start pushing to off autistic people since their numbers growing must pain them.

Sadly many are going to start fearing those with a mental illness that is not even a cause of violence as the Autism in these cases is pushed even when there is no such diagnosis . Stupid Dr.s wanting their name in the paper are diagnosing by video and a person's writing, personally I think that diagnosis and ADHD among others is being pushed when half are wrong.
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posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: Char-Lee

I agree they keep on saying he had Aspergers when he was never even diagnosed with it the media is pushing something against Autism and people with Aspergers.
He was obviously mentally ill but to get help for that you have to understand you are ill.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:51 AM
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You may not agree with what he said but it is his right to say them and just because he has said something many disagree with it doesn't give them the right to call him an actor without proof.


Well I haven't called him anything, I only know that it is hard to breath right after a tragic death. My father died suddenly at age 40, my Brother died suddenly at age 40, all four Grand parents, the biggest and horrific loss of my nephew committed suicide at age 21, I cut his cord at birth.

You can't think, you can hardly breath and you cannot coherently speak while in shock, this is not an hour or a day. Yes there are stronger people who respond better but even they need TIME.


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posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:52 AM
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He was obviously mentally ill but to get help for that you have to understand you are ill.



As you know mental illness does not appear in a day, if he was this ill by his age his Family knew.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Psynic

Okay lets turn that around a bit.

If he is not a good actor wouldn't the people who staged it gotten a better one?.
Also as mass shootings goes this wasn't the biggest If the powers that be wanted to create a false flag wouldn't they have done a bigger job? one with more impact?.


I can't speculate on their production value other than to quote Abraham Lincoln, "You can fool all of the people some of the time......" and suggest they don't require this charade to stand up to the test of time.

"Staged" can mean totally controlled, or simply manipulated. The degree of involvement is yet to be determined, but circumstantial evidence of a pre-existing agenda is apparent.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: cestrup

Go on then run away...if you can't handle people asking you for proof and you can't handle people disagreeing with you.....
Oh and I will keep on asking you for proof and such even though you will not respond.
Real mature dude like a baby throwing it's dummy out of a pram.


To early yet for proof either side of the coin, the only way proof is garnered is through many people looking at details. Think of it like a Bank scandal or the VA.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: Char-Lee

They did know he used to see a therapist but he stopped and stopped taking his meds.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: DEV1L79
. Not one person in this whole thread has been disrespectful about any other victims or their families. The only one people are taking a shot at is the one parading around in front of cameras, high fiveing and screaming gun control.



Gotta call BS on that. This is from your original post:


originally posted by: DEV1L79
As soon as I seen this in the newspaper I knew it is all just a mass hoax for gun control


If you're saying it's "all just a mass hoax" you're calling everyone involved a liar: victims, victim's families, witnesses, law enforcement, medical personnel, media.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 11:05 AM
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Or that Elliot was some kind of Patsie used because of the things he was posting on the Internet.

His videos seem like bad acting and maybe he was asked to "act" a part, maybe he thought he was publishing acting online for a purpose, maybe he thought he was being tested or groomed for a movie part, there are all kinds of possibilities.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: Psynic
circumstantial evidence of a pre-existing agenda is apparent.


And that would be what? There are people advocating gun control in the wake of incidents like this?

The father of a kid randomly killed by a mentally ill shooter blaming the gun lobby in the heat of the moment?

That isn't evidence that there is a conspiracy.

What other evidence are you talking about?



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 11:16 AM
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Because, of course, this is all about Obama wanting to seize peoples guns.....



May 18, 1927: The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings set off by Andrew Kehoe; in Bath Township, Michigan. A total of 38 students and 7 adults were killed; with at least 58 people were injured. The incident still stands as the deadliest mass murder in a school in U.S. history.
Sept. 1949: Howard Unruh left his house for a twelve minute walk around his Camden, New Jersey neighborhood, shooting people at random and killing 13.

Jan. 1958: Charlie Starkweather & Caril Ann Fugate went on a gunning spree after killing Caril's parents and sister. The two of them traveled through Nebraska and were captured in Wyoming ultimately killing eleven people.

July 1966: Charles Whitman barricaded himself in the University of Texas clock tower and began shooting at students below. The shoot off lasted 90 minutes and ultimately killed 18 people and wounded 30 others.

Dec: 1972: Mark James Robert Essex hid down the street from a police station and target police with a .44 magnum killing 10 people and wounding 13 others in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Mar. 1975: James Ruppert shot and killed his mother, brother, sister-in-law and eight nieces and nephews at an Easter Sunday dinner in Hamilton, Ohio. The 11 victims were shot a total of 35 times.

July 1976: Edward Charles opened fired with a .22 caliber rifle in the basement library of the California State University in Fullerton. He killed seven people and injured two.

1982: Carl Brown shot and killed 8 people at a Miami machine shop where he just recently had his lawn mower worked on. He was then caught trying to escape and ran over by civilians chasing him.

Sept 1982: George Banks went on a shooting spree and killed 13 people with an AR-15 high-powered rifle in Wilkes-Barre City and Jenkins Township.

July 1984: James Oliver Huberty dressed in camouflage and went to McDonalds in San Ysidro. At McDonalds he opened fire and killed 21 people before a sniper shot ended his life.

Aug. 1986: Pat Sherrill, a postal worker, killed 14 people and wounded six others with a .45 caliber semiautomatic pistol in Edmond, Oklahoma post office.

Jan. 1989: In Stockton CA, Patrick Purdy open fired on the school playground with a Chinese-made Type 56 semi-automatic rifle, killing five children and wounding twenty-nine others and a teacher. He then shot himself.

June 1990: James Edward Pough entered a GMC loan office in Jacksonville, FL killing ten people and wounding 5 others, then killed himself.

Oct. 1991: George Jo Hennard Drove a Ford pickup truck into the windows of Luby's Cafe in Texas and then open fired at people throughout the cafe killing 23 and wounding 20. After running low of ammo he shot himself.

July 1993: Gian Luigi Ferri rampaged through the Pettit and Martin Law offices in San Francisco killing eight and wounding six. She then turned the gun on herself.

Dec 1993: Colin Ferguson murdered six people and injured nineteen others on the Long Island Rail Road in Garden City, New York. Ferguson open fired as people began to exit from the train as it pulled into the Merillon Avenue Station.

Mar. 1998: In Jonesboro AR, Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden shot and killed four female students and a teacher. Nine other students and a teacher were wounded.

April 1999: Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold were students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado. They killed 13 students and a teacher with two sawed-off shotguns, explosives, a .9 mm rifle and a semiautomatic pistol. The shootings lasted 4 hours ending when the two boys shot themselves in the school library.

July 1999: Mark O. Barton killed his family and then 9 other people (wounding 12 others) at the brokerage offices in Atlanta GA. After his shootings he escaped and later shot himself.

Aug. 1999: Buford O'Neal Furrow, Jr. perpetrated a day care center at the North Valley Jewish Community Center and began shooting. The shooting injured three children, and a receptionist. He also shot and killed a US Postal Service carrier.

Sept. 1999: Larry Gene Ashbrook murdered seven people and injured seven at a Christian Rock concert in Fort Worth, Texas. Ashbrook then committed suicide.

Nov. 1999: Byran Koji Uyesugi committed the Xerox murders in Honolulu, Hawaii killing seven of his co-workers. On the day of the event, Uyesugi entered the building and opened fire with a .9mm. He killed his supervisor and six other workers.

Dec. 2000: A software engineer Michael McDermott opened fire on workers in the Edgewater Technology building in Wakefield, MA. McDermott killed seven people by shooting them in the back of the head repeatedly with either a 12 gauge shotgun or a .32 caliber pistol

Mar. 2005: Jeffrey Weise, a student at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Minnesota, killed seven people including a teacher and a security guard before committing suicide. He had also killed his grandfather and his grandfather's girlfriend at his home before shooting at the school.

Mar. 2005: Terry Ratzmann killed seven members of congregation at the Living Church of God, at the Sheraton Hotel in Brookfield, Wisconsin. He had left the building twenty minutes earlier, and returned carrying his .9mm handgun and fired 22 rounds into the congregation killing the minister and six others including the minister's son.

Mar. 2006: Kyle Aaron Huff entered a rave after party in the southeast part of Seattle's Capitol Hill neighborhood and opened fire, killing six and wounding two. He then turned the gun on himself as he was being confronted by police.

Oct. 2006: Charles Carl Roberts IV took hostages and eventually killed five girls and then killed himself at West Nickel Mines School, a one-room Amish schoolhouse in Nickel Mines, a village in, Pennsylvania.

Feb. 2007: At Trolley Square Mall in Salt Lake City, Utah a shooter killed five bystanders and himself, while wounding at least four others. The killer was terminated by five police officers.

Oct. 2007: Tyler Peterson of Crandon Wisconsin murdered six people, during a homecoming party inside a small apartment. A dispute between Peterson and others is thought to have preceded the shootings. Peterson was initially believed to have been killed by a police sniper, but it was later reported that he may have committed suicide by multiple gunshots

Nov. 2007: At the Jokela High School in the town of Jokela, Tuusula municipality, Finland, a gunman known as Pekka-Eric Auvinen, killed nine people: five male students and one female adult student, the school principal, the school nurse, and himself. One other person suffered gunshot wounds, and eleven people were injured by shattering glass while escaping from the school building.

Dec. 2007: Robert A. Hawkins entered the Von-Maur store of the Westroads Mall in Omaha, Nebraska and killed nine people including himself. Five other people were injured, two of whom were in critical condition.
Feb 14, 2008: Steven P. Kazmierczak shot 22 students in a Geology class at Northern IL University, killing 5. He then shot himself.

Mass Murder Timelines

Were all these fake too?

Bear in mind that Obama took the Whitehouse in 2009 and I've only quoted up to 2007 above.

ETA - More reading here - A guide to mass shootings


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posted on May, 31 2014 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: Psynic
circumstantial evidence of a pre-existing agenda is apparent.


And that would be what? There are people advocating gun control in the wake of incidents like this?

The father of a kid randomly killed by a mentally ill shooter blaming the gun lobby in the heat of the moment?


"Heat of the moment" might be stretching it a bit. He was reading from a written statement prepared by the family. He states that clearly at the beginning of his presentation. So this wasn't just a dad lashing out from grief and anger. A group of people chose to use the platform provided to them by this event to make a political statement. And many news networks chose to air this political statement.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: Moresby
"Heat of the moment" might be stretching it a bit. He was reading from a written statement prepared by the family. He states that clearly at the beginning of his presentation. So this wasn't just a dad lashing out from grief and anger. A group of people chose to use the platform provided to them by this event to make a political statement.


A group of people whose relative had just been randomly killed by a maniac with a gun. If you want to argue that "heat of the moment" isn't an applicable term go ahead. As far as the topic of the thread goes it doesn't matter.

It still isn't evidence of a conspiracy and you hardly need to posit a conspiracy to logically explain their behavior.

EDIT: To elaborate: is this event being used by some as an example to advocate gun control? Obviously.

That, however, is a completely separate issue from what has been alleged on this thread---that what happened here is a "mass hoax" using "crisis actors."
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posted on May, 31 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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Mass Murder Timelines

Were all these fake too?


Interestingly I bet you would find in all those cases the information was available, nothing was hidden no weird missing info or strange coroner's saying totally nut stuff. Basicly you may have made the case for the conspiracy side, so many killings but not the same as the odd ones, I will have to check into each.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: Char-Lee
Interestingly I bet you would find in all those cases the information was available, nothing was hidden no weird missing info or strange coroner's saying totally nut stuff. Basicly you may have made the case for the conspiracy side, so many killings but not the same as the odd ones, I will have to check into each.


As long as we're just "betting" about what might be I would bet that if you turned the Sandy Hook truthers loose on any of those cases they could gin up plenty of alleged controversy. Of course, they wouldn't have as many mainstream media TV reports to recycle into youtube videos.

A lot of the supposed "oddness" claimed for the higher profile cases stems from the fact that there was intensive media attention by multiple outlets from all over the world resulting in the need for wall to wall reporting that lasted for days. There was a rush to get the story, there were reports from supposed inside sources of varying reliability, there were all kinds of photos and video images available, there were a multitude of interviews and press conferences presenting a huge amount of material to scrutinize for anything that could be used to justify conspiracy theories.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: Char-Lee

Well, nice try, but your flaw is that the list proves that this isn't about some faux "gun grab" conspiracy based around the Obama administration.

It's something thats been occurring for years, sadly.



posted on May, 31 2014 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: Char-Lee

Well, nice try, but your flaw is that the list proves that this isn't about some faux "gun grab" conspiracy based around the Obama administration.

It's something thats been occurring for years, sadly.



Personally I never thought it was about guns, in fact it has sold more guns and ammo. I think it is much darker and larger than that.



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