China, Russia start joint naval exercise

"Chinese and Russian units taking part in the Joint Sea-2014 drill will be combined rather than operating separately during the exercise, the first time the Chinese navy has worked so closely with a foreign maritime force...The drill, in the northern part of the East China Sea, ends on Monday. Forces including 14 ships, two submarines, nine fixed-wing aircraft and six shipboard helicopters will take part, according to a report on the PLA Navy's website...China and Russia's naval units would practice defensive and attacking maneuvers, carrying out escorts, search and rescue operations, and storming hijacked ships, Xinhua reported."

China, Russia start joint naval exercise

I found a story about this on InfoWars and decided to conduct a Google search to verify its authenticity. Google pulled several foreign sources, but you need to dig before can finally locate an unofficial U.S. source.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the U.S. is trying to suppress this story, but what's the big deal if it is only an exercise? Countries conduct military drills all the time. Obviously Russia and China are flexing their military muscle at us, but is there any real cause for concern?

Why the news black out?

Why would the US suppress the story? It has no bearing on US naval power.

I seriously doubt its a news blackout, considering its of no threat, their just a couple of nations performing naval drills together, big deal, China and Russia both have that right.

Your trying to blow this up bigger then it is.

No star, No flag.

originally posted by: Arnie123
Why would the US suppress the story? It has no bearing on US naval power.



I seriously doubt its a news blackout, considering its of no threat, their just a couple of nations performing naval drills together, big deal, China and Russia both have that right.



Your trying to blow this up bigger then it is.



No star, No flag.

I wouldn't be so rude about it but I agree. On a regular basis we have joint exercises with questionable countries. I wouldn't read too much into this develpment. It's good to be aware of what is going on around the world. S+F

I'm not trying to blow it into anything. I quoted the news source and am surprised that the U.S. news isn't covering it. I think it is newsworthy that two super powers are combining forces in a military exercise, as opposed to operating side-by-side. You read into what you want, but I thought it was worth sharing. reply to: Arnie123

a reply to: BattleStarGal

Suppress? Are you serious?

The US has commented on it, in addition to commenting on the upcoming US naval exercises that China is taking part in.

Do you actually look for info or do you just state you did so you can accuse the US of something sinister?

Its naval exercises... nothing earth shattering about them. Japan had 2 of their aircraft harassed by Chinese planes for observing the maneuvers.

This is old news, that has been discussed here already.It began last week.The very day that, Russia and China signed their trade deals, decoupling from the US Petro Dollar.I have to say though, articles are now being pulled from the media. I am in full agreement there.I wrote a post yesterday about Russia's Live Fire Air drills on the Ukraine Border, that began yesterday to coincide with the Elections.I posted several links.From several scources.Most had been available over the week.Under a hour of posting, all links were removed.I have experienced this before, but not that many and not from that many independant scources.

Is this 'jump on OP day'?

I'm pretty sure a few of the comments above are a prime example of the lack of respect towards other members that I've heard mentioned across the forums over the past couple months.

If OP searched through news sources and wasn't able to find anything, it makes sense that the conclusion is either MSM blackout, or it's just not news worthy. We all know that the MSM is infamous for suppressing news stories.

If the Chinese-Russian naval military exercises have been covered, post the sources. No need to attack the OP.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
Is this 'jump on OP day'?

I'm pretty sure a few of the comments above are a prime example of the lack of respect towards other members that I've heard mentioned across the forums over the past couple months.

If OP searched through news sources and wasn't able to find anything, it makes sense that the conclusion is either MSM blackout, or it's just not news worthy. We all know that the MSM is infamous for suppressing news stories.

If the Chinese-Russian naval military exercises have been covered, post the sources. No need to attack the OP.

www.zerohedge.com... Here is one of many.I assume you are addressing me.I am far from attacking the OP. I agree with the OP post and the subject matter.Saying this has been disscussed before, is plain and simple truth. Not an attack. I even supported the OP'S view of media black outs as I too have experienced link removals.Yes the OP has experienced some nasty and unwarranted comments. Don't confuse me with them.Breathe.

originally posted by: BattleStarGal

"Chinese and Russian units taking part in the Joint Sea-2014 drill will be combined rather than operating separately during the exercise, the first time the Chinese navy has worked so closely with a foreign maritime force...The drill, in the northern part of the East China Sea, ends on Monday. Forces including 14 ships, two submarines, nine fixed-wing aircraft and six shipboard helicopters will take part, according to a report on the PLA Navy's website...China and Russia's naval units would practice defensive and attacking maneuvers, carrying out escorts, search and rescue operations, and storming hijacked ships, Xinhua reported."

China, Russia start joint naval exercise

I found a story about this on InfoWars and decided to conduct a Google search to verify its authenticity. Google pulled several foreign sources, but you need to dig before can finally locate an unofficial U.S. source.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the U.S. is trying to suppress this story, but what's the big deal if it is only an exercise? Countries conduct military drills all the time. Obviously Russia and China are flexing their military muscle at us, but is there any real cause for concern?

Why the news black out?

Only to yourself about your delusionary"news blackout".The fact is there is NO news about a rust bucket,old,outdated fleet and a 25 year to get there wanna be fleet.News blackout,lol

a reply to: minusinfinity

I agree.

Perhaps I was a bit rude, I apologize to the OP.

.....but as of late, these kinds of topics are all over the place, which in turn lead to more Anti-West rhetoric.

But in any case its good to know whats going on around the world.

Good call MinusInfinity, Ill S&F your thread BattleStarGal.

a reply to: BattleStarGal
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Fair enough.

But lets state the record straight, China and Russia are NOT Superpowers.
The US is the sole dominant Global SuperPower, able to force project anywhere in the world at a given moment.
Should the TPTB lift the ridiculous rules and restrictions on Combat, the world will see just what kind of terrible power the US can unleash at its Maximum peak.
Russia and China COMBINED would make an interesting naval fight, but that is all, we don't need to cripple their navies with the world watching and breaking all the Anti-West/US rhetoric peoples hearts , seeing that China and Russia is their Beacon of light an hope to the apparently appalling US aggression and destruction, LMFAO.

We are going to be seeing more joint exercises between Russia and China in the future. I wouldn't worry about it or anything. Since we put economic sanctions on Russia because we wanted to hijack the Ukraine, I doubt if we will be having any joint operations with them in the immediate future unless it was already planned before.

It is not that the press supress it, it is simply not a story. China and the US just had joint execersise a couple months ago and will do so again in June. Before Russias adventure into Crimea the US and Russia had exercises on a regular basis. Outside of Iran, North Korea, Cuba and a few other places everybody pretty much conducts exercises with everybody. I would expect some possible coverage of China joining in RIMPAC but, only because that is largets naval exercises on earth and China can see what something like that looks like and the US can see what state the Chinese Navy is in. They came off looking antiquated in the recent search for the missing plane so I expect they will want to repair that view. A military exercise with Russia smaller out old fleet is much different than with the US Navy.

originally posted by: BattleStarGal
I'm not trying to blow it into anything. I quoted the news source and am surprised that the U.S. news isn't covering it. I think it is newsworthy that two super powers are combining forces in a military exercise, as opposed to operating side-by-side. You read into what you want, but I thought it was worth sharing. reply to: Arnie123

I think you have a point. I've found a number of stories over the years that have been placed in obscurity or simply ignored by media, which is commonly known to sanitize the news when requested to do so by government entities.

originally posted by: MrSpad
It is not that the press supress it, it is simply not a story. China and the US just had joint execersise a couple months ago and will do so again in June. Before Russias adventure into Crimea the US and Russia had exercises on a regular basis. Outside of Iran, North Korea, Cuba and a few other places everybody pretty much conducts exercises with everybody. I would expect some possible coverage of China joining in RIMPAC but, only because that is largets naval exercises on earth and China can see what something like that looks like and the US can see what state the Chinese Navy is in. They came off looking antiquated in the recent search for the missing plane so I expect they will want to repair that view. A military exercise with Russia smaller out old fleet is much different than with the US Navy.

I doubt we'll be conducting military exercises with Russia or China anytime soon now. There is a developing economic and military alliance between them and this is big news. It means that there's a paradigm shift away from western interests, toward the combined territorial and economic interests of the other two. The US will not be able to stand against that due to the inter-dependencies of global economics. If the US attempts to oppose the new axis, it will be punished economically and in other ways we perhaps haven't thought of in these posts. No doubt, the State Dept already has a long list of retaliatory moves that can be taken on all sides. The question is, does the US want to open the Pandora's box and risk retaliatory actions that could tip the economy into a free fall?

This was described as a "massive" naval exercise ?

Looks like a normal everyday exercise to me

The only thing massive here is.. Massively overrated IMO

originally posted by: BattleStarGal

"Chinese and Russian units taking part in the Joint Sea-2014 drill will be combined rather than operating separately during the exercise, the first time the Chinese navy has worked so closely with a foreign maritime force...The drill, in the northern part of the East China Sea, ends on Monday. Forces including 14 ships, two submarines, nine fixed-wing aircraft and six shipboard helicopters will take part, according to a report on the PLA Navy's website...China and Russia's naval units would practice defensive and attacking maneuvers, carrying out escorts, search and rescue operations, and storming hijacked ships, Xinhua reported."

China, Russia start joint naval exercise

Obviously Russia and China are flexing their military muscle at us,

Obviously not


The US alone




Russia and China




I'd say not a threat or any concern

originally posted by: Gianfar

originally posted by: MrSpad
It is not that the press supress it, it is simply not a story. China and the US just had joint execersise a couple months ago and will do so again in June. Before Russias adventure into Crimea the US and Russia had exercises on a regular basis. Outside of Iran, North Korea, Cuba and a few other places everybody pretty much conducts exercises with everybody. I would expect some possible coverage of China joining in RIMPAC but, only because that is largets naval exercises on earth and China can see what something like that looks like and the US can see what state the Chinese Navy is in. They came off looking antiquated in the recent search for the missing plane so I expect they will want to repair that view. A military exercise with Russia smaller out old fleet is much different than with the US Navy.

I doubt we'll be conducting military exercises with Russia or China anytime soon now. There is a developing economic and military alliance between them and this is big news. It means that there's a paradigm shift away from western interests, toward the combined territorial and economic interests of the other two. The US will not be able to stand against that due to the inter-dependencies of global economics. If the US attempts to oppose the new axis, it will be punished economically and in other ways we perhaps haven't thought of in these posts. No doubt, the State Dept already has a long list of retaliatory moves that can be taken on all sides. The question is, does the US want to open the Pandora's box and risk retaliatory actions that could tip the economy into a free fall?

China is joining the US exercise RIMPAC next month for the first time and that thing lasts a month.
Last month China invited the US to military exercises but, the US declines because Japan was not invited. China and Russia have some things in common and many things not in common. China's clash with Russia close friend Vietnam along with Russia selling advanced weapons to Vietnam and India to be used against China are just part of the problems between the two. They will deal with each other on certains issues and screw each other over on others. The one thing they will not do is sacrifice anything for each other. China would not even give Russia backing in the UN over Crimea because it would damage ties to the US. And while the US is vital to China's economy, Russia is not and as long as that holds true China will never cement any realshionship with Russia.

a reply to: MrSpad

Personally I think the only thing Russia and China have in common is the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Russia's revival of the former Soviet Union speech most likely has China wary about actual Russian intentions. For people to claim Russia and China are allies because of an energy deal completely ignores the mistrust those 2 countries have for each other while also ignoring the fact that relying on each other for critical parts of their economies - energy- goes against Russia's and China's stated position on self sufficiency in critical infrastructure - especially energy.

Both nations will work together on points where the goals are somewhat the same. They will concentrate on the energy deal but I guarantee you it wont last long. Countries like Russia and China have doctrines that are incompatible with one country having the ability to majorly impact critical areas in another.

Russia and China have overlapping territorial claims.
They have different foreign policy objectives.

Its almost as if we are seeing the 21st century version of Germany and Japan at the start of WWII. I don't see many people looking at the completely opposite viewpoints that Germany and Japan had. Germany at least understood that at some point Japan was going to be an enemy of Germany in the same manner the Soviet Union became an enemy.

Diplomacy for convince until pieces are moved into place.

The German mindset, specifically Hitler, could not achieve their goals of Nationalism-Socialism until they won on all fronts. While Hitler did not view all non Aryan groups in the same manner, the end result was clear. Hitler had no issues in a race that took pride in its history, specifically Japan's. Those groups however would always be under scrutiny.

China and USSR did not trust each other during the cold war. The more China brings itself inline with the 21st century, the more they are going to grind against Russia and vice versa.

Hypothetical -

The US pulls back from being the world cop and adopts a position like Europe's, where the economy comes before common sense. That leaves Russia and China, who both want to be considered global super powers and are working towards that goal, as the determining factor.

At what point will Russia and China turn on each other since neither nations position / plans allow for another global superpower to affect their own plans?

China has the mindset they can run the table in southeast Asia.
Russia is concentrating on its Eastern portions to make those areas just as important and the more developed western regions of Russia.

Remove the US and all Russia and China have left to work together on is gone. The coziness between Russia and China is short term.

a reply to: Xcathdra


The US is mostly bark than bite due to failing economic and military logistics at this time. We blew our wad in a two front war lasting a decade. The US military is stretched across the Middle East, the Navy is caught between security in the Arabian Gulf near Iran and pressing priorities in east Asia sea challenged by China.

The Roman empire began to crack when their forces were thinly spread out in Asia, the Middle East and Europe. Once adversaries saw their advantage the conflicts began and Rome's assets and economy began to shrink rapidly. They were destroyed economically, because they were too big to manage their interests by military aggression, and the nations they stepped on were able to assert their strength against a weakened Rome.

Since 2008, we've seen a slow decline in the job market and the service industry, while China requires American tech companies to share innovation in return for building factories. A forced collapse by the Federal Reserve (and resulting chaos) might be advantageous in re-militarizing the US government under provisions of the Patriot Act which shifts all authority for policy to the White House under martial law.

This move would allow the military security complex to fully incorporate its agenda in beefing up all branches of the armed services, for increasing the foot print in the dozens of Middle Eastern bases already in operation, and as well incur territory in oil laden Sudan, Yemen and perhaps Egypt.

On the corporate side, an industry of drones and other combat service robots already in advancement could be mass produced or refitted for battle service. The US could eventually obtain control over future petrol supplies of the eastern consortium, which would imply the economic security guarantee. Especially since China will need a vast supply to carry its rapidly growing industry. It would be an act of desperation, but how else would the empire survive?