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originally posted by: lambs to lions
We didn't lose these wars, we just failed to accomplish our objectives.
We could have won in Vietnam
We didn't lose these wars, we just failed to accomplish our objectives. If we were to simply want to submit another country, we could do it without stepping foot in it.
If we were to simply want to submit another country, we could do it without stepping foot in it
NATO’s primary objective in Afghanistan is to enable the Afghan government to provide effective security across the country and develop new Afghan security forces to ensure Afghanistan can never again become a safe haven for terrorists.
originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: intrptr
Who's next?
Today's NeoCons prefer an war on Syria,Iran and Iraq again.
Uh-Huh...photo of the U.S. 'failing to accomplish objectives' in Viet Nam:
originally posted by: lambs to lions
We could have won in Vietnam, and in the ME...We didn't lose these wars, we just failed to accomplish our objectives.
The mission was for a small bunch of people to make a large amount of money. Mission accomplished. To any other measure, both wars were monstrous debacles.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
We didn't lose anything. To decide if something is lost ... you have to look at the mission and see if the mission was completed. The missions declared for both Iraq and Afghanistan were completed.
Iran and Syria have done nothing to deserve being bombed to oblivion...On the other hand US and the UK constantly have terrorized,sabotaged,sanctioned and interfered in the ME affairs particularly in Iran during the past decades if not centuries...Lets check out some facts before spewing fear and propaganda.
originally posted by: lambs to lions
a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter
North Korea, Iran, Syria would be a good start. No need to occupy though, just lay waste to the disease that currently inhabits leadership. And, anyone who supports or agrees with their leadership. Is it tyranny? Yes. Is it forcing my world view upon others? Yes. Does it mean collateral death? Yes.
That's my opinion, I feel no need to sugar coat or be careful to not hurt someone's feelings.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
We didn't lose anything. To decide if something is lost ... you have to look at the mission and see if the mission was completed. The missions declared for both Iraq and Afghanistan were completed.
The Iraq Mission - get Iraq to comply with UN Resolutions in regard to weapons inspections. We invaded to enforce the UN resolutions, but did not declare war. The Iraqis themselves put Saddam on trial and executed him. The US and other forces helped the Iraqis secure their country so that they could install a new government and then take over security themselves. They may or may not be doing a good job with security, but the mission was to get them to be responsible for it and this has happened. This was all accomplished. No war was lost.
The Afghanistan Mission - Remove Taliban from power; install new non-terrorist friendly government; remove Afghanistan as a safe haven for Al Qaeda terrorists. All this was accomplished. Hamid Karsai was installed; terrorists nearly wiped out in the settled parts of Afghanistan and sent fleeing to Pakistan; and security was being handed over to Afghanis who are training with NATO. Nothing was lost. Recently Hamid Karzai has been siding with the Al Qaeda/Taliban again. It's to be expected. There is no honor among those folks ... sides are easily bought.
NATO Current Mission in Afghanistan
NATO’s primary objective in Afghanistan is to enable the Afghan government to provide effective security across the country and develop new Afghan security forces to ensure Afghanistan can never again become a safe haven for terrorists.