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Scientists to Congress - Aliens Exist.

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posted on May, 25 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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Just because you dip your fishing net into the see and catch no fish that dosent mean that there are no fish in the sea. You just need to know where to fish.

(2014 Waine Lasikiewicz)




posted on May, 25 2014 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: EnPassant
a reply to: EnigmaAgent

The idea that life is common in the universe is based on the materialistic idea that life arises spontaneously from matter. I don't agree. Life probably does exist out there but it may be extremely rare.


I disagree,

Life on earth happened rather quickly after earth solidified, and earth has set life back to basically simple life form a number of time for it to just explode back on the scene with a plethora of higher life forms. This basically suggests that when conditions are right life will happen.

I would say it is more of a norm than not. Can you imagine an earth like planet with rolling seas and temperature ranges conducive to life and it is totally void of all life...I don't see it happening.



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero



Life on earth happened rather quickly after earth solidified, and earth has set life back to basically simple life form a number of time for it to just explode back on the scene with a plethora of higher life forms. This basically suggests that when conditions are right life will happen.


No its doesn't suggests that when conditions are right life will happen. If that was all we needed then we would be able to make artificial life in laboratories. Also if that were the case new life would be springing up all the time here on earth where the conditions are perfect every day.

What is does prove is that the life that started on our planet is very determined to survive as it has developed into every living thing on this planet.



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 11:25 AM
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Fermi Paradox

Oddly i just got emailed this by a friend, just finished reading it and then i see this thread. So i will just leave a link here



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 11:42 AM
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I don't get it. If Shostak is so confident in intelligent alien life existing, why is he so skeptical that a few of those intelligent alien civilizations making their way to other planets, like Earth?? You would think that someone who believes there are alien civilizations out there would at least consider the plethora of UFO evidence that has been compiled over the last several decades. But he is just so overzealous in his skepticism, that it doesn't compute for me.



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: PhoenixOD
a reply to: Xtrozero



Life on earth happened rather quickly after earth solidified, and earth has set life back to basically simple life form a number of time for it to just explode back on the scene with a plethora of higher life forms. This basically suggests that when conditions are right life will happen.


No its doesn't suggests that when conditions are right life will happen. If that was all we needed then we would be able to make artificial life in laboratories. Also if that were the case new life would be springing up all the time here on earth where the conditions are perfect every day.

What is does prove is that the life that started on our planet is very determined to survive as it has developed into every living thing on this planet.


I directly disagree with your statement, and without calling you ignorant, would ask that you show something to support your claim.

When conditions are right, life does happen, and we have created it in a lab.


Sutherland’s team took a different approach in what Harvard molecular biologist Jack Szostak called a “synthetic tour de force” in an accompanying commentary in Nature.

“By changing the way we mix the ingredients together, we managed to make ribonucleotides,” said Sutherland. “The chemistry works very effectively from simple precursors, and the conditions required are not distinct from what one might imagine took place on the early Earth.”

Like other would-be nucleotide synthesizers, Sutherland’s team included phosphate in their mix, but rather than adding it to sugars and nucleobases, they started with an array of even simpler molecules that were probably also in Earth’s primordial ooze.

They mixed the molecules in water, heated the solution, then allowed it to evaporate, leaving behind a residue of hybrid, half-sugar, half-nucleobase molecules. To this residue they again added water, heated it, allowed it evaporate, and then irradiated it.

At each stage of the cycle, the resulting molecules were more complex. At the final stage, Sutherland’s team added phosphate. “Remarkably, it transformed into the ribonucleotide!” said Sutherland.


Life’s First Spark Re-Created in the Laboratory

Also, you say that new life would be springing up all the time when conditions are "perfect every day"? Then why are there seasonal fauna that only grow during parts of the year where conditions are perfect in that one place for only a specific number of days a year?

Every day, new life does pop up all over the earth, but you imply that because we aren't actively aware of it or monitoring it, that it's not happening. Scientists spend a long time not only searching for new species, but then going through the grueling task of identifying whether or not they originated from an existing species or are in fact, a new one. Those discoveries are happening every day, even if you aren't aware of them.

~Namaste



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: SonOfTheLawOfOne

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
a reply to: Xtrozero



Life on earth happened rather quickly after earth solidified, and earth has set life back to basically simple life form a number of time for it to just explode back on the scene with a plethora of higher life forms. This basically suggests that when conditions are right life will happen.


No its doesn't suggests that when conditions are right life will happen. If that was all we needed then we would be able to make artificial life in laboratories. Also if that were the case new life would be springing up all the time here on earth where the conditions are perfect every day.

What is does prove is that the life that started on our planet is very determined to survive as it has developed into every living thing on this planet.


I directly disagree with your statement, and without calling you ignorant, would ask that you show something to support your claim.

When conditions are right, life does happen, and we have created it in a lab.


A Ribonucleotide is considered a molecular precursor of nucleic acids. Its not life.



Every day, new life does pop up all over the earth, but you imply that because we aren't actively aware of it or monitoring it, that it's not happening. Scientists spend a long time not only searching for new species, but then going through the grueling task of identifying whether or not they originated from an existing species or are in fact, a new one. Those discoveries are happening every day, even if you aren't aware of them.

~Namaste


All new species discovered are descendants of a common DNA strand thus all life on earth is related and can be placed in the family tree of life. On very rare occasions they discover a new branch to the tree but everything is still related. There has never been any new life discovered on this planet or any other. Abiogenesis has only ever happened once as far as we know.


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posted on May, 25 2014 @ 11:54 AM
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The scary thing would be that there is no other life in the Universe



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 11:59 AM
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Lets see, there are 500 billion galaxies with 500 billion stars each. That's 500 billion to the power of 2 stars in the universe. So what is the probability of intelligent life forming on anyone one of those stars? If its 500 billion to the power of 20 to 1 then there is not a very likely chance that intelligent life has formed anywhere else by but here on planet Earth.
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posted on May, 25 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
The scary thing would be that there is no other life in the Universe


Interesting comment. Humans seem to be preprogrammed into thinking there must be some other power in the universe other than themselves. Before we knew about space we filled that need with gods, after we knew about space we filled it with aliens.



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: EnigmaAgent

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: EnigmaAgent


Pretty sure some one beat ya to the punch.


Ok if so MODS lock thread.


Not that I really care but
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posted on May, 25 2014 @ 12:54 PM
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of course it exists elsewhere. It has been coming here for a long time, and its still visiting us. Scientists now estimate there could be as many as 100 million habitable worlds in the Milky Way Galaxy alone!



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Ever seen anything in the cosmos that happens just once?
Or do the laws of physics ( known and unknown ) act different on earth than everywhere else amongst the trillion plus stars out there?

Basic logic.



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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fat chance of possibly peaceful highly advanced aliens making themselves known to us anytime soon. we're generally still a bunch of barbarian monkeys even after all this time. we've been around for 200k years and just the last century alone was one of if not the bloodiest most destructive ever, god knows how many other species and animals we've killed out of existence and even now we're fighting each other all over the world



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: PhoenixOD

All new species discovered are descendants of a common DNA strand thus all life on earth is related and can be placed in the family tree of life. On very rare occasions they discover a new branch to the tree but everything is still related. There has never been any new life discovered on this planet or any other. Abiogenesis has only ever happened once as far as we know.


Just a thought here but,

Maybe the conditions on earth only favor our specific form of life.

I know it is just a "maybe" but it is a possibility.

Other planets conditions could favor other forms of DNA.



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: PhoenixOD

Yea, thats called logic. And by the style of how you write, i would suggest that you are an American?



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 01:37 PM
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Depends on how technologically intelligent they are.

If they are below us, just a couple of 100 years behind, or even approximately the same level as us and they are far away in the Galaxy, probably not yet.

If they are just ahead of us, or further..yeah, they probably do know about us.

We are seeing Earth like planets with our fledgling tech now, 10's of light years away..soon that will be 100's of light years and then in a relatively short time, 1000's of light years distant.

If they are far enough ahead, they've probably been to every corner of this Galaxy checking out what is alive and what isn't, including our little blue world.

Once we get the tech and physics under our belt that allows us to do the same thing...that is exactly what we'd do..it would be a lot longer than a 5 year mission though!



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: EnigmaAgent

A 30 year old argument to a group of minds 300 years out of step with reality.

As for the "scientists," there is no certainty in probabilities, only high confidences.



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: pirhanna
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Ever seen anything in the cosmos that happens just once?


How about you typing that post?

Large events do happen more than once but no two are ever exactly the same.


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posted on May, 25 2014 @ 04:09 PM
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From the opening post,


Intelligent life existing in Congress, however, is less likely.


Lol! That's awesome. Could you imagine, though, if aliens visited this world? And they meet the leaders, or even random sheep, of america? I mean, dear God, could you imagine if aliens met that fool truman and macarthur during 1947 (when the Roswell UFO incident allegedly happened)? That's truly just sad on your part america, and yet, 70 years later, you elect puppets like obama, bush, pelosi, sessions, etc. to represent you? Absolutely pitiful. I really do hope aliens haven't come to visit because that would just be sad for the leaders we have...



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