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originally posted by: LDragonFire
He then went on to randomly kill 6 people and injure another 13. This is about sex? Really? He didn't think about paying for it when all else failed, instead of a killing spree?
originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
a reply to: criticalhit
You should read his manifesto. I am over half way through it and it voids most of the points you make. He had a good childhood (from his own admission) with loving parents. He was well travelled before he even hit puberty and since he attended summer school on at least one occasion (so far), his parents weren't on his arse constantly about grades.
It seems to me thus far that he had some extreme social anxiety from the very beginning. I don't see the bullying he claimed happened as being severe enough (again... so far) to cause a killing spree. In fact it was tame to say the least (yet again, so far). He perceived a lot of wrong doings as personal when it wasn't. He perceived a lot of slights as personal when they weren't slights or personal.
It appears to me that he put himself where he was by his own thoughts and his own actions. Everyone around him were just living their life and he seemed to perceive that in ways that weren't accurate most all of the time.
I am going to finish reading it, as much as it sucks simply because I started it. So far my opinion is that he perceived the entire world out to get him and had really no one to blame for it other than his own feelings of inadequacy fostered by no one other than himself.
Through his own admissions, he didn't even fully know about sex until he was around 13. He saw a glimpse of porn from a friend when he was 12 and said it terrified him. He had no clue that was what men and women did together. So being overexposed didn't occur either unless he lied in his manifesto and most of it is so embarrassing, I don't know why he would.
He shows a lot of love for his mother and father. He talks about how his mother went out of her way for him and life with her was always enjoyable. He loved his father very much as well and admired him even though he was gone a lot on business. He knew they both loved him and other than summer camp and one sleepover he admits to... he was always at home. The first time he left home to go somewhere on his own he was 17.
Unless a lot changes between now and the end of the manifesto....
He had issues, but I do not think his parents were/are what you are assuming them to be.
originally posted by: acmpnsfal
originally posted by: criticalhit
I'll pin this kid down in a heartbeat, no terms, no psychobabble, the real reason no one can actually pin down a mental illness or 100% add this up is because he doesn't suffer from any mental illness he is simply a weird creep and until we recognize that strange life circumstances and the influence of others can simply lead to a person turning out to be a "weird creep" we will never actually understand how kids like this happen. He's not a "psychopath" or anything else, just a guy who developed with strange ideas...
1: Rich parents, never got laid. So the first obvious thing here is that he was socially stunted, i'd bet a teste this kid wasn't allowed out much as a child, I see a child who was held to the house constantly, lived in a mansion of sorts, didn't ever have friends other than play dates, when he "acted out" having few social skills the other child was blamed an actual "friend" or exposure to social dynamics never happened. his personality was formed by TV and movies.
2: Despite being socially isolated "the intellectuals" that ran his life were obsessed with academic ability and "creativity" with zero social norms in his life he was in tandem pushed to read books way above his level, he was treated as an adult in conversations and allowed to watch movies from an exceptionally young age also way above his level all of this with out any "real world" social application. he probably was witness to adult parties and behavior from a very young age, fixated on sex before puberty had a medicine cabinet with access to drugs of his choice legal and otherwise.
In short... he was raised in a way that turned him into a creep
plain ol creep, nothing fancy going on here... let your kid play in the mud, Dantes inferno isn't a book for a 4 year old, your hyper idealistic political beliefs are't dinner conversation in kindergarten, "play dates" aren't friends, the Tv is not a babysitter, unattended time on a computer will lead to massive porn exposure and unrealistic sexual expectations, being there and giving Love is more important than your career sometimes, your adult parties downstairs will be seen and heard and lock your god damn medicine cabinet...
This guy had aspergers so its possible that women were hitting on him and he didn't pick up on it. Actually the root of his problem probably stemmed from that. It's possible he didn't understand social norms which is why in the videos he seems to be talking like he thinks life is a movie. He wasn't just a creep, there was a real medical reason why he wasn't exactly socially graceful. His writings and ramblings clearly show he was a psychopath, normal people don't think like that, even with aspergers.
originally posted by: PLAYERONE01
ah yeah there is something wrong, this kid was loaded, he drove a beamer, his old man was the assistant producer on one of the biggest teen movies at this point in time. to quote Eddie Murphy "he would have had # hitting him in the street like freebies"
I'm not buying it.
originally posted by: JudgeEden
a reply to: LDragonFire
This isn't insanity to me. All I see is a supposedly socially awkward individual. I know because i'm also socially awkward. No one here would be acting as if he was the epitome of insanity if he hadn't allegedly done this crime.
originally posted by: Fylgje
a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts
Are they linking his crime to autism or some other mental condition? I haven't really been following it.
originally posted by: SpaceGoatFarts
He was followed for his psychological problems but they are hardly the only cause. The main reason was his bitterness and anger at society, because he felt he deserved to be loved and admired (and also to have sex) and wouldn't understand why it wouldn't happen automatically (he was shy and would not initiate conversations), so he started to believe everyone rejected and hated him.
So he wanted revenge.
originally posted by: Jungian
There is an equal amount of little boys and men which are abused every day too, but do they report to someone who could report the stats for WHO to report some more about it? Nope. For a woman its common sense to report abuse, which should be the general rule of thumb for any human. But for a man in the same situation? I see that happen once every decade.
originally posted by: Stuship
a reply to: Loveaduck
Based off your statement you have absolutely zero understanding for how the legal sale of a firearm is conducted here in the United States. As an actual FFL holder, I think I know more about what it takes than you do.
Now if you want to talk about the illegal sale of firearms, then well that is an entirely different story. Hopefully you are intelligent enough to know criminals don't follow the law, so they don't really give a crap about background checks.