The thought before a thought............

Is the thought given a closure of infinite latches of a multitude of perceptions of our initial idea that formulates in the vast construct of all we know, never really becoming our idea of our output, but a construct of all the bits we think, in the vast vat of bits always available in segments of what is a thought before our thought?

Is it then possible in the subconscious to control the flow? Or is it always a given to elaborate on for the individual chaotic flow, always given not thought to enact on only for what’s understanding seems only an absolute?


Would this be, where our free will becomes dominant, only to interpret, the pre given thought and then establish its output as choice, of energetic-al flow! The Keys of Solomon the King or Keys of Enoch?

Our role seems limited by a source unknown, sleep, awake, think, enact, on thought creating a reality.
No, ifs, or buts, we think our reality,We decide to a certain extent, after the manipulated, by the controlling influences, that our fluid chemical neuro transmitter receiver’s perceive as correct to play out not always in the mode of our initial thought chaos theory?

We are not,what we seem to be then, just chained to an idea, of what we think we are, but not actually that, that we think or the thought of what we think we are…………….

Then what are we?

An understanding in motion of the infinite understanding no certainty in design as the mind construct within the physical may just be the insistent product of design to understand its design eternally.

Then the thought before thought is just the constant relay of the one God call it what you will it is just the infinite at work for like always, sleep, awake, thought, shut down reboot update launch??????????

Maybe this is the thought, that we are destined to fall on, that, we are thought, the rise and fall of Atlantis, the rise and fall of the Roman empire, the wars, the dogma, the final realisation, that we are somehow the product of thought/manifestation of awake, sleep, implement thought with its trillion zillion thoughts that we put into play uploading and down loading in each and every milli second or less of every proportion of time is it any wonder we populate this on a daily basis after sleep share? it’s our self?

The atom within each minuscule eventuality, is this the basis of religion to teach us of the enormity of what we are, is this why all religion is based on a belief?

Are we in this lifetime about to realise, as is destined, that our thought, is passed over amongst us, from a millenniums of existence in a constant overlap, that needs to be understood, to protect us from the perils of our lives dangerous journeys so that all of us can successfully and always complete each journey unscathed?

As above, as below,in totality, in purity, within love, compassion, truth and understanding unfolding.

a reply to: Fingle


Is the thought before thought only the origin addiction that thought is of the eternal battle of will…………….

As above as below, God or Satan, Positive, negative, or your will above the nature of the universe I am I will, all material, sexual, self-gain, to what superior purpose is a new desire.

A new self-rhetoric to give you/your ego its desire and control over what,you the thought as power over others and your self ? or the will of another force to relinquish you to………………

originally posted by: Fingle
a reply to: Fingle

Fingle: Is the thought before thought only the origin addiction that thought is of the eternal battle of will…………….

It is the prior life you had before re-insertion as another version of yourself in the physical. The battle of will; meaning that defining your personality or your ego? These are two separate things.

Fingle: As above as below: what superior purpose is a new desire.
A new self-rhetoric to give you/your ego its desire and control over what,you the thought as power over others and your self ? or the will of another force to relinquish you to………………

New desire; to satisfy an urge. Define the purpose of the urge; is it to change mankind (a paradigm) or scratch an itch, satisfy a craving for french fries?

originally posted by: Fingle
a reply to: Fingle

is it the real truth that light is only seen in darkness and that the real truth, can only be found within you.... you can.... its not an easy journey in this life, but it is there for the taking, if your heart is open to the truth, the real truth within,you will unfold the Truth.

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a reply to: Fingle

It is in this episode I complete ...................?

In the idea of a thought before thought in reality existence, maybe this is a Translation of how it becomes?


www.revelatorium.com...

Worth a read lots to explore for the open minded

So the thought before thought explored, is the definitive basis, of me ,you, us, as an individual collective expression, born out of the fact consciousness expression has been given to us to explore the boundaries of the given mind before thought and energetically through process expand this into our realities.

So, in effect chosen, by our positive or negative exploration of who or what we are our needs desires somehow reactive in the seed of yourself enacting the growth potential outcome in that that is pre-thought before thinking to opt to express and yield to your own formulation of your preferred outcome be that what is your will, you can’t argue with yourself but your ego will.

Is this our self the real thought before thought somehow data cleansing just think of it as SIRI v ALEXA if they were both to link knowledge would be in abundance our self-understanding re-joined.
We have a huge leap to take for the betterment of US ALL……………………..

www.revelatorium.com...

a reply to: Fingle

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www.spiritofthescripture.com...

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a reply to: Fingle

Basically, we are all the reciprocal parts, of each other constantly in disagreement because our lower/higher ego demands it, thought before thought (the confusion element we wrestle with) not evolving to our true oneness if you want????

Who knows, We really Know (on a deeper level that) we have no real boundaries only those we create within (to avoid our truth) for ourselves and others?

eventually we as one (sort of) will come to know.

with Love, Compassion, Truth, Acceptance, Forgiveness & Understanding of the all of everything that is..........

a reply to: Fingle

there really is no good or evil

I apologise in advance that this response is a bit raw in places, but I was extremely frustrated to see yet another post stating this abjectly flawed opinion. In the age of Information, the above statement is both moronic & tantamount to being criminally naive - in particular if anyone holding these simplistic & oft-repeated 'cliches-standing-in-for-actual-critical-thought', is, for example, someone who works with vulnerable adults or children.

Thought experiment. You work hard at school, in college, you find your soulmate, buy a home together & begin to raise a family. You are nothing but personable & happy in working hard to achieve your goals.

Then a criminally-minded predatory paedophile breaks into your home at night, shoots your husband/ wife in the face as you both were sleeping, then subjects you, and your children, to brutal, perverse, abusive sexual attacks which he continues for hours until everyone who hasn't passed out has literally reached the point that they actually want their consciousness to fade out of reality - they want to die, to escape the torment of such psychological & physiological trauma. Perhaps, even a child, would reach this state of mind, this wish to fade out, as young as ten, five perhaps.

WOULD YOU STILL SUGGEST THAT THERE IS NO SUCH 'THING' (when you actually mean 'distinction between') as Good & Evil..? Don't be so foolish.

Of course the boundary line between good & evil is fuzzy, as is every boundary, or neutral point, in any dualistic system, where neither one or the other priciple is dominant (think 'bureacracy' & 'red tape' as a fuzzy & indistinct zone of fairness/ unfairness, bringing ill to a person which doesn't harm, but may frustrate). Consciousness itself is a cycling sine wave of positive (awake), negative (asleep), and neutral (transliminal). The boundary line between wakefulness & sleep is a mysterious place not well understood by most people (myself included - I'm no expert, but I've had a number of very unusual experiences at this virtual 'line in the sand' dividing the main states of our consciousness).

Fascinating thing to study, consciousness. But for Heaven's sake - for the wellbeing of the vulnerable & for the promotion of virtue, dignity & compassion throughout the world - STOP being criminally naive & STOP being philosophically lazy/ reckless. Start reading up properly on psychology & philosophy, as well as comparative histories of religious experience. STOP jumping on the 'NAN' bandwagon ('New Age Nonsense') & start really, really thinking, just thinking, about the diverse issues which make up the complex & morally/ ethically treacherous world in which we are but the tiniest fraction, looking out at an almost overwhelming whole. It's tragic - utterly tragic, to see the abusive effects of greed, lust & envy (and the other four) which exist at MASSIVE scale on Earth right now this very moment. Children forced to scavenge from under the tables of the soldiers who enforce compliance amongst the populace in North Korea; families & whole communities who are slowly poisoned to death due to inhalation of toxic fumes while they crudely 're-smelt' the metals from used circuit boards, in China; whole cities of people in India who are displaced from their traditional homeland by the actions & inactions of a state-run monopoly on coal mining, doing nothing to prevent the underground fires which ultimately cause the collapse into absolute destruction of their former ancestral communities.

Be safe in the knowledge that there are spiritual prinicples; rules, patterns & modes of operation which basically ensure that in the final analysis, good will receive good, and evil will reap the fruits of its own devising. I have experienced these different 'karmic' results in my own lifetime, and I'm aware that many schools of thought believe that a balancing operation can be performed in the 'hereafter' if justice was witheld in order to allow time for a change of heart whilst a person lives out some form of selfish or abusive life here on Earth.

But as you set out on further voyages of philosophical discovery - STOP spreading the meme of fake philosophy which suggests that good & evil are not a reality. They absolutely are, and we each have a duty to ensure that in our own sphere of influence, however large or small that may be, we stand up for the rights of the oppressed, and generally live well, considerately & charitably in all possible ways, to the best of our ability, all the time. This includes an obligation to critically assess a philosophy or system of belief, rather than spread 'feel-good' memes which are utterly false & in fact dangerous, damaging society by stamping a seal of pseudo-spiritual authority on negligent or abusive behaviour; giving the golden ticket to behave 'however the hell I want to', when in fact the truth is a far different matter, as I have attempted to show here.

I apologise if this offends your sensibilities, but we all have a responsibility to promote healthy & charitable spirituality/ philosophy. 'There is no such thing as good & evil' is not only an intellectually & intuitively false spiritual/ ethical statement, it is dangerous, putting vulnerable people at risk by acting as an enabling agent, giving the green light for people of all creed & colour to make 'evil' decisions, while turning a blind eye (ear?) to their inner conscience - or the law publically expressed, in the case of sociopathic or psychopathic people who have issues with personal accountability & may have to learn to exercise restraint & initiate change in themselves, in order to interact in, at minimum, a 'neutral' way with society. If possible, in a good way - but that's why we need well-trained & conscientious mental health support workers, in addition to our ministers & mystics.

Blessings,



FITO.

"The five colors blind the eye. The five tones deafen the ear. The five flavors dull the taste. Racing and hunting madden the mind. Precious things lead one astray.
Therefore the sage is guided by what he feels and not by what he sees. He lets go of that and chooses this."

- Tao Te Ching

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Apology not recognised as sensibility is but an interpretation of belief yours placed on mine I share mine you share yours neither is correct or incorrect neither is good or evil hence my belief that such things realistically do not exist as single structuring elemental energy forces, if so one would presumably be dominant to flight the other in a constant stalemate so the existence of the duality would inevitably construct a bias.

All the forces you mentioned no doubt are a reality for those that choose the horrifying momentum that you spoke of but the reality in its image can not be the subjective judgement of just good or evil.

If seemingly good actions are then practised in a dysfunctional way what are they? is charity good or evil? Is tough love good or evil? Is a patriotic war against a common foe good or evil?

Is not the construct of our society lazy in voting an elect to decide for the greater good! Then what have we yielded to the elected that have phenomenal influence over how our moral and ethical lifestyles are lead is politics good or evil is religion good or evil is every single action good or evil if you dissect each and every input and output of the 8 billion people on earth as an energy mass with neuro transmitters in constant stimuli what effect does that have on the populace as a hole through interpretation influence understanding and the actual daily output of your belief against mine am I evil are you evil am I good are you good.

Is the misplaced conception the real issue of an indoctrinated society at large that drastically needs to change within itself to formulate that that it really is our whole idea of a mass society without the globalist doctrine, of financial gain through academic prowess through light weight paper analysis of a person value to society and the esteem and personal wealth being the only goal.

Is their only one form of intelligence is it good or evil or are their many forms of intelligence?
Can Science be the only form of investigation that will mature our society? Is Science Good or Evil is radiotherapy good or Evil?

Is Love, Compassion, Acceptance, Forgiveness, Understanding of all and everything, new age nonsense? subjective judgement?

Is Sugar good or evil?

Is Life Consciousness the desire to do something Good Or Evil?

a reply to: SparkOfSparks6

If we all get to know ourselves and get all our self priorities in line in all the aspects of us, we start to know ourselves and be our own truth.

A Journey we must all realise eventually

a reply to: vethumanbeing

is the ego inline rather than the formidable consciousness the combined reality that begins..

a reply to: Fingle

You must watch the pictures that you paint with your imagination, for you allow your imagination too full a reign. If you read our early material, you will see that your environment and the conditions of your life at any given time are the direct result of your own inner expectations. You form physical materializations of these realities within your own mind.

“If you imagine dire circumstances, ill health, or desperate loneliness, these will be automatically materialized, for these thoughts themselves bring about the conditions that will give them reality in physical terms. If you would have good health, then you must imagine this as vividly as in fear you imagine the opposite.

“You create your own difficulties. This is true for each individual. The inner psychological state is projected outward, gaining physical reality — and this — regardless of the nature of the psychological state. The rules apply to everyone. You can use them for your own benefit and change your own conditions once you realize what they are.

“You cannot escape your own attitudes, for they will form the nature of what you see. Quite literally you see what you want to see; and you see your own thoughts and emotional attitudes materialized in physical form. If changes are to occur, they must be mental and psychic changes. These will be reflected in your environment. Negative, distrustful, fearful, or degrading attitudes toward anyone work against the self.”

diaryofamystic.com...

Interesting stuff, again only guide not what it is, word vibration resonance interpretation revelation ?

a reply to: Fingle

Is dark, black matter, the ocean of consciousness, explanation maybe, or the origin of both our thought and creation, that our minds, in the immeasurable life v consciousness synonymous relationship,That we have simulated into our current realm.

In being able to use our senses, to define our definition and to make sense of our born into dimension.

So, then religion, is it, an eternal, in our combined thought, as a creation through the matter, that is existence, that we have somehow created, so, have we then, created God to look at the reflection of itself ????

Through the seemingly divisional aspects of closely related theological ideas?

So we are definitely not Gods but an image potential of that potential to unravel, through experience, our carbon, manifested, physical footprint if you want, you me in the fleshical human form capable of Love, Compassion, Truth, Acceptance, Forgiveness, Understanding.

This can be no Lie, only our choice, free will then to decide, at what ever level, we decide to live and embrace, that, that, we have been freely given to explore, without blame, as to blame is to again mirror our own insecurity image reflection that we will see around us as an opposite, but only as a reflection of our-self, endless re-flectional mirrors of ourselves, to accept or ignore.

The answer is always in plain sight, if we choose to listen, feel and see, both internally and externally, but generally……..

We choose not to listen to ourselves, a book can help, music can, friends can, but ultimately, you can only help yourself, with or without influence, to explore who and what you are, is to listen fully and accept and adapt for yourself, with Love, Compassion, Truth, Acceptance, Forgiveness and Understanding of you……………………….Maybe to be the way………………..to a new becoming ?

Thought before a thought? Just another empty concept.

a reply to: Fingle

I truly cannot comprehend how people end up holding beliefs which are concomitant with those expressed by you in the OP, in the post to which I am replying now, and in several other parts of the thread. Truly, your belief system represents a fundamental threat to the stability & wellbeing of the human race. May God assist in ensuring that people like you never succeed in attaining high office in which you would be responsible for the lives of citizens who know full well that there are positive & negative forces in the world, albeit on a sliding scale...

The sliding scale we determine as the reference standard of the interpretive measure we apply to evil action is not strictly subjective, as you insist, because the conception of the meaning & impact of evil action leading to justification associated with determining consequences for evil action carried out in fact resides in the realm of jurisprudence & is analysed into categories of meaning depending on very particular rules of logic, and is therefore collectively determined rather than subjectively.

So yeah, may the Almighty keep your flawed & ridiculous pseudo-philosophy well away from the corridors of power.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

It is not the thoughts but the attachment to them... they can either bring order or chaos but where is the difference? Inside or outside... inflow or outflow? Or simply a mirror of reflection