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Originally posted by vethumanbeing
We lost the ability once we; the human 'fell' (hogwash scriptural component) insert here. If one is gambling there is no JOY other the fact you can cheat others into into a WIN for yourself/as in you are a better card player even if using devious means of dark gamesmanship (its allowed you know especially if YOU acknowledge your taking advantage of lessor minds).
Joecroft My Poker analogy was about giving up an attribute (in this case telepathy) in order to enjoy the experience/reality of playing poker, which could be paralleled to that of “Soul Incarnation”, i.e. giving up certain “Source” connections (freewill exercised) in order to experience another type…or this reality…
The whole hogwash scriptural terminology of “fell”, could well be coming from our lower perspective, of this reality, without realising the higher implications…Although without doubt, there is a clue to a truism, within the phrase itself…
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
I thought the whole purpose was to seek a divine source to get us out of congenial CONFUSION (we all share as to who what and why we are here). We have all the clues, dogmatic religious sources, Walt Disney/Hollywood to tell us who we are just by watching metaphors as film-a-sysms; the 'antics' of being a human in the form of comedy/tragedy. We were cut off to see we are smart enough to look further than just that presented to us.
Joecroft Depends what you mean by “get us out of congenial CONFUSION”…
“congenial CONFUSION” lol…
What on Earth have you been reading… I’m still trying to figure out what that phrase means, along with the phrase “existentialism” lol
- JC
originally posted by: Istigraq
So lets get this straight. Self Will is the Interpretation and then expression of the projection of nature of Free Will.
This means that Free Will the expression of our TRUESELF or ONESELF has always been on the same path and thus isn't something our Self Will could change? It never imposes itself upon us and just is AM, I is understanding AM through I's own interpretation of AM.
When I understand AM, I AM therefore.
originally posted by: jcarmen
The thought before our thought, the real essence of our free will, that is the true Self. When we realize that as our true nature then enlightenment is achieved.
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: Istigraq
So lets get this straight. Self Will is the Interpretation and then expression of the projection of nature of Free Will.
This means that Free Will the expression of our TRUESELF or ONESELF has always been on the same path and thus isn't something our Self Will could change? It never imposes itself upon us and just is AM, I is understanding AM through I's own interpretation of AM.
When I understand AM, I AM therefore.
Yes; perfectly understood. Free will only allows for the examination or recognition of Self will it supersedes; but Self will cannot impose itself on the IAM as that is an entirely different state of existing within the 'NOW' or not interpreting a/the past or future. Your mind does this constantly by referencing past memory/experience or future potential aftermaths of action. The true state of IAM is the 'NOW' occurrence/nanosecond; as in (need to add this to my moniker) WHEN IS NOW EXACTLY?
originally posted by: Istigraq
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: Istigraq
So lets get this straight. Self Will is the Interpretation and then expression of the projection of nature of Free Will.
This means that Free Will the expression of our TRUESELF or ONESELF has always been on the same path and thus isn't something our Self Will could change? It never imposes itself upon us and just is AM, I is understanding AM through I's own interpretation of AM.
When I understand AM, I AM therefore.
Yes; perfectly understood. Free will only allows for the examination or recognition of Self will it supersedes; but Self will cannot impose itself on the IAM as that is an entirely different state of existing within the 'NOW' or not interpreting a/the past or future. Your mind does this constantly by referencing past memory/experience or future potential aftermaths of action. The true state of IAM is the 'NOW' occurrence/nanosecond; as in (need to add this to my moniker) WHEN IS NOW EXACTLY?
Now is the fact this conversation never should've happened, NATURE.
originally posted by: jcarmen
a reply to: vethumanbeing
The only way that spirit can exist in the world is through the control of the world. Nature itself is the greater spirit, and while it does not live in the world it does control the world. The spirit is immaterial so it can not be material, but like a seer it sees everything because it is above everything. I agree with everything else you said.