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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
And today there are many many gods but only one true God . a reply to: AfterInfinity
a reply to: AfterInfinity That info was also in one of the first set of vids I posted .
So these "many many gods" are not true gods? Just pretenders? Then why call them gods? And where did they come from? Why are they allowed to continue existing? Why do we not acknowledge them?
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: undo
I think the point here - and I may be wrong, so please correct me if I am, OP - is that the whole "savior" thing is by no means an original work. "Saviors", "saints", "miracle workers" and "demigods" are a very old concept that no culture or mythology has any kind of monopoly on. So any group or person claiming a monopoly, an "exclusive right" to such concepts, is full of crap.
I think the 4th century Saint John Chrysostom and the 2nd century Saint Justin Martyr have the answers you're looking for, but since you're not looking for answers, only trying to slander the Lord, you won't learn, you'll just continue on in your prideful ignorance....
a reply to: AfterInfinity well today most studies as to where modern man comes from is in the area we call Turkey .Weather modern husbandry or metal furnaces that is where they come from .Noah's ark is said to have been in the area buy older historians and there may be legitimate reasons to believe that it's there . Like quantum mechanics unless the person wants to learn about the phenom they are left with believing something that cant be explained but has to believed in order to continue their studies . What they know about it makes many of them very uncomfortable about the truth of reality because it goes against our better judgement .
ETA: "But due to the unbelief of science, they have created a mythical stone age several millenia back in time to account for the evidence [of Noah's family populating the Middle Eastern region]..." This is why I didn't watch your video. So let's try that condensed version now, eh?
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: undo
I'm not sure we'll ever be able to nail a complete line from the first "gods" to the latest in this extensive game of telephone spirituality.
I think the point here - and I may be wrong, so please correct me if I am, OP - is that the whole "savior" thing is by no means an original work. "Saviors", "saints", "miracle workers" and "demigods" are a very old concept that no culture or mythology has any kind of monopoly on.
MIRACLES AND HEALING IN THE ROMAN WORLD
In Matthew's gospel, Jesus' birth is heralded by the heavenly portent of a star rising in the East, which guides certain wise men (or astrologers) who travel from a distant land to Bethlehem to see the future king (Matt 2:1-2). In all of the gospels Jesus performs numerous healings, and on several occasions he even brings the dead back to life. And in the Book of Acts, a vision of the risen Jesus appears to Saul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:1-7). As a result of this encounter, Saul is converted and eventually becomes Paul, who devotes the rest of his life to the service of Christ.
Although all of these religious claims seem remarkable to the modern reader, none of them would have astounded the average citizen of the early Roman empire. Stories of heavenly portents, miraculous healings, mystical visions, and even resurrections were told about a number of demi-gods or heroes. In fact, a number of supernatural phenomena were even attributed to certain philosophers and emperors.
Miracles: In the first century of the common era, renowned men could also be credited with having performed miracles. The popular emperor Vespasian (the former Roman general who had befriended the Jewish historian Josephus during the First Jewish Revolt) was credited with having performed several miracles. According to stories recorded by the Greek historians Dio Cassius and Tacitus, Vespasian worked several healing miracles, while visiting the shrine of Sarapis in Egypt. Among these miracles, Vespasian is credited with healing a blind man and restoring another man's crippled hand (Tacitus Histories 4.81).
But miraculous powers were not limited to emperors, or even to people from the empire's social and political elite. Miracles were a sign of a special relationship between the gods and particular individuals. People who were thought to possess great wisdom or virtue were also frequently credited with performing miracles.
One interesting example of a wonder-working, itinerant philosopher is that of Apollonius of Tyana. Apollonius was a late first-century follower of the famous Greek philosopher, Pythagoras, whom some believed had become a god. Having renounced his possessions and worldly position in virtuous pursuit of divine wisdom, Apollonius was reputed to have led a disciplined and rigorously ascetic life.
According to his later biographer, Philostratus, Apollonius possessed extraordinary gifts, including innate knowledge of all languages, the ability to foretell the future, and the ability to see across great distances. Apollonius's possession of divine wisdom also endowed him with the ability to heal the sick and demon-possessed, and Philostratus narrates the miraculous quality of a number of these cures and exorcisms.
What all of these stories of wonder workers have in common is that (in contrast to magic, which is performed by charlatans for personal profit) miracles are performed by exceptional human beings, in the service of a god, for the good of other people.
originally posted by: rickymouse
I think that would be Apollo's son. He was taken down by Zeus because he wasn't supposed to be profiting by his healing. I think he had the staff of Commerce as his staff...gotten from Hermes.