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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
Luke 4 - Jesus doesnot want world.
John 3 - God puts Jesus in world
Matt 5 - God gives world to meek people
After Satan had failed in selling the world to Jesus, God pumped up the value of the world by inserting his Son into it and dumped it on the market taxing it as inheritance. That's what the text says. Ancient pump and dump and luring stupid people in on the bogus deal.
Only part of the picture, you conveniently leave out the promise of a "new heaven and earth"
Revelation 21:1
and
Isaiah 65:17
"See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind"
Satan offers the crappy version of earth
Crappy version? How so?
“The heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.” (2 Pet. 3:7)
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
Luke 4 - Jesus doesnot want world.
John 3 - God puts Jesus in world
Matt 5 - God gives world to meek people
After Satan had failed in selling the world to Jesus, God pumped up the value of the world by inserting his Son into it and dumped it on the market taxing it as inheritance. That's what the text says. Ancient pump and dump and luring stupid people in on the bogus deal.
Only part of the picture, you conveniently leave out the promise of a "new heaven and earth"
Revelation 21:1
and
Isaiah 65:17
"See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind"
Satan offers the crappy version of earth
Crappy version? How so?
“The heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.” (2 Pet. 3:7)
It doesn't say "Satan". In Matthew, it says, Devil and tempter.
After Satan had failed in selling the world to Jesus . . .
The Isaiah description of the new earth is, I think, obviously metaphorical, with straw eating lions, friendly wolves, and dust eating snakes.
Only part of the picture, you conveniently leave out the promise of a "new heaven and earth"
Revelation 21:1 and Isaiah 65:17
"See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind"
Satan offers the crappy version of earth
originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: UtnapisjtimIt doesn't say "Satan". In Matthew, it says, Devil and tempter.
After Satan had failed in selling the world to Jesus . . .
Jesus sees through the guise and realizes that his own destiny is to surpass that old representation of God, and to create a kingdom himself which is free from the sins of the world but exists in the spiritual plane.
The English language didn't exist when the New Testament was written, so we have a translation.
Neither of these two words, devil and lucifer were around at the time the bible-quotes containing them surfaced.
I feel free to change my opinion, constantly, if I think it is necessary.
Well I normally keep myself from speculating around Jesus' soul or destiny, for none of those are fixed entities, but ever-changing and ever-living eternal expressions of the divine man.
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: jmdewey60
The name of God is a word made up of 72 Hebrew letters starting with the four letters of the Tetragrammaton. It is in that name God reveals his plan, and everything from the creation of the world to it's destruction. Gods origin, Man's destiny, the future of the Sun, it's all written there in that painful name, that thorn in the side of all alive.... May God have mercy and chose his fires wisely.
He seems to think it doesn't matter if the writer says satan or the devil.
I have a book on the subject, Temptations of Jesus in Early Christianity (Academic Paperback), by Jeffrey Gibson.
Gibson also doesn't feel like the devil owned any kingdoms to give to Jesus.
Mastema is an angel who persecutes evil in Jewish mythology. He carries out punishments for God. He tempts humans and tests their faith. In the Zadokite Fragments and the Dead Sea Scrolls he is the angel of disaster, the father of all evil, and a flatterer of God. He first appears in the literature of the Second Temple Period as a personification of the Hebrew word mastemah (משטמה), meaning "hatred", "hostility", "enmity" or "persecution".
en.wikipedia.org...
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
There is no commandment greater than these.
originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: UtnapisjtimThe English language didn't exist when the New Testament was written, so we have a translation.
Neither of these two words, devil and lucifer were around at the time the bible-quotes containing them surfaced.
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: jmdewey60
The name of God is a word made up of 72 Hebrew letters starting with the four letters of the Tetragrammaton. It is in that name God reveals his plan, and everything from the creation of the world to it's destruction. Gods origin, Man's destiny, the future of the Sun, it's all written there in that painful name, that thorn in the side of all alive.... May God have mercy and chose his fires wisely.
You would reduce God's word, message to humanity, as nothing more than mere guesswork syllables of an ancient language that will surely fade to distant meaning?
originally posted by: JackofBlades
In questioning His existence, we are questioning the nature of creation, of existence and of reality itself. And that is what He wants more than anything. He gave us free will so we would use it.
And that's it. Be good to each other. Be kind. Say hello to that guy you always see on the way to work looking like he'd much rather be on the way to a poolside bar on a beach. The homeless guy you cross the street to avoid? Buy him a sandwich. It's a small bit of money to you, a grand gesture for him. Simple kindness to your fellow man is all that's needed.
And how do we know that? Well, right after telling us exactly how to get on the VIP list for the party upstairs,
originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
And whose context is that?
Better yet, did any conclusion based on ANY context be pointed out?
The truest scoffers of all, the ones who actually try INCREDIBLY HARD to make sense out of something that really offers no answers, and never will, to anything in this world or beyond.
The vast majority of the people who make threads like this fail miserably in their "interpretation" of scripture. When reading the Bible, CONTEXT must be considered above all else. Context exists on many levels and in this order, from least to most... word, verse, passage, chapter, book, entire Bible, historical/cultural context, and most importantly, who the author is... who the intended audience is, and the message the author is wanting to convey. You also have to consider the writing style of the individual author. Mark and John both wrote gospels, however their writing styles are completely different, and they even use Greek words differently, however at the end of the day they both get across the same message when their gospels are taken in context. John wrote 5 books in the NT... The Gospel of John, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John, and Revelation. If you were to actually do a study on his writing style, you will notice that his 5 books are all very similar, and John uses the word "world" in a few different ways consistently throughout all 5 books that he wrote. Just like all of Paul's epistles are very similar. Just like Luke and Acts are similar because they have the same author. It's very easy to sit back and speak ill of the Bible, but the vast majority of people who do have no idea what they are talking about, because they fail to try and understand it themselves, but instead repeat the same old tired talking points that skeptics have regurgitated for decades. The wisdom of God is foolishness to those who do not believe, just like the foolishness of God is wiser than the greatest of man's wisdom.
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
"if you say you believe in Jesus you will receive the world for eternity",