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It isn't believing that they have eternal life, otherwise all those other places you mentioned could serve the same purpose.
And given there is eternal life for those who believe, wouldn't that mean that the serpent was right afterall . . .
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
Reply to: Agree2Disagree
So if a war criminal is standing trial in Haag for a handful genocides, and he delivers a speech about love and forgiveness, the tribunal should immediately set him free since he has obviously changed into a better man? Help me here.
ETA: Updated correct post reference
That all sounds very dreary and enough to get depressed about.
...because we're all SINNERS and all would have to pay the consequences associated with sin....
No, I don't accept that.
. . . live on in another carnation in another universe.
If all people were sinners, then what would be the point of calling someone a "sinner"?
If you deny the fundamental truth that all people are sinners...then I really have nothing else to even begin to speak about...
The fact that someone sins or not wouldn't matter in whether that person dies or not.
We don't inherit the consequences of sin....we "earn" them...because sin is an ACT of disobedience
This just means that you don't punish one person for something that someone else did.
"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment of the father's iniquity; nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be on himself."
That's just normal jurisprudence.
"Therefore, I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct"
This actually goes against your argument that people can only do bad.
"Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap."
That was probably a warning against accepting false doctrines that some people taught that what you do has nothing to do with your future afterlife, that your actions have no consequences.
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us."
Text How can you be so certain and know exactly what other people, or yet even more rediculous, God and his Begotten-- know or intend to do without standing in their place? Or do you have a copy of God's Plan?
I doubt that it is the result of intentionally "trying".
That entails a little more effort than what you have shown but instead of taking literature out of context and trying to twist it into your own thoughts, you should learn the basic rules of honest debate and be forthright instead of your vulgar intended wit.
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: stormbringer1701
Now that you have all managed to spit at gays and acted all devilish already and are in the mood, why not turn this thread into a pro-life campaign or something else which is completely OFF-TOPIC?!?!
It doesn't say that the same people came back.
Job actually got his old family back after Satan left, the dead bodies were just that, old skins left behind since they got to bruised or damaged.
originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: UtnapisjtimIt doesn't say that the same people came back.
Job actually got his old family back after Satan left, the dead bodies were just that, old skins left behind since they got to bruised or damaged.
The idea of the story is that what Job had at the beginning, seven sons and three daughters, he ended up with.
I think that the whole story is a sort of parable of how Israel got ruined by the Assyrians and Babylonians but were restored under the Persians.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
Are you worthy of eternal life? If so, how can you be so sure?
That's not even the most important question.
Then what is? Please, enlighten all of us.
What do you do when your will to exist runs out before your immortality does?
And if you think it's impossible to run out of things to live for, then you have no idea what you're talking about. It's easy to discuss skydiving with both feet planted firmly on the ground.
they all hail to a sacrificial beast in man's shape, who died to wipe their sins away. But they misread the passage for it actually says he was killed for their evil, it was because of them, not for them.
originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
they all hail to a sacrificial beast in man's shape, who died to wipe their sins away. But they misread the passage for it actually says he was killed for their evil, it was because of them, not for them.
Romans 4:25
He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.
(2011 NIV)
I don't think this verse means that Jesus was raised "because" of our justification.