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posted on May, 23 2014 @ 03:02 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: Expat888
Governments... are for fools and idiots who cant think for themselves and lack the intestinal fortitude to be responsible for their actions as human beings ..
Neither a need nor use for any of them ..


The only country I can think of (off the top of my head) that doesn't have a government is Somalia. If you have the "intestinal fortitude", maybe you should move there since you don't have a need or use for a government. You could become a pirate. Or maybe you like the privilege of organized society a little more than that prospect?
waiting for the day humanity grows up and realizes that it is possible to live as human beings without damn governments .. leaders .. political parties .. patriotism as those dont mean a damn thing other than a reason for people to act like primitive savages and slaughter each other over nothing.

Earned my attitude junior having spent over 40 years of my life putting people back together in warzones around the world .. what the hell have you done to make the world better ? From what see your like the rest that only add to the misery in the world with your narrowminded views .. your masters in d.c may let you lick their boots as your a good minion spouting the party line and usual propaganda ...




posted on May, 23 2014 @ 03:14 AM
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originally posted by: Expat888
waiting for the day humanity grows up and realizes that it is possible to live as human beings without damn governments .. leaders .. political parties .. patriotism as those dont mean a damn thing other than a reason for people to act like primitive savages and slaughter each other over nothing.


Human beings already do live without governments- in Somalia. They look more like primitive savages who slaughter people over nothing to me than do people in countries with governments.


Earned my attitude junior having spent over 40 years of my life putting people back together in warzones around the world ..


Yeah. But have you been to Somalia?


what the hell have you done to make the world better ?


"Better" is obviously a relative term in this discussion.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 03:46 AM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

What would you suggest instead of Obamacare then? I'm curious - so far I haven't seen or heard of a single Republican idea about what to replace it with. They've voted to repeal is a ridiculous number of times, but not once have they suggested a replacement.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 03:49 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb
Lets keep it civil here. I'm genuinely interested in why liberals choose that political affiliation.

I see liberal ideology as one that is against individual sovereignty and freedom. This is how it gets represented by the legislators who claim to be liberal. I see liberalism as a progressive agenda who's means of attaining a "better America" involve the introduction of legislation upon legislation until there are so many laws that people can hardly breathe without breaking the law or without being taxed. Everything that a liberal claims to "accomplish" seems to be an act that violates the bill of rights in one aspect or another.

So, why do people support a political agenda that consistently violates our freedom?

Don't you know that all revolutions and uprisings are about the people wanting to be free? Eventually, if liberals have their way, America is going to become a country where the people are going to revolt because they've lost their freedom. Why not just put a stop to it now, and stop voting liberal?

Freedom is the greatest thing a person can have, imo. That's why I can't understand why people support a political agenda that consistently takes that away. Why do you support it?


You say 'keep it civil' and then you immediately insult all Liberals by stating that Liberals are against freedom. I suspect that you are labouring under multiple misapprehensions.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 03:59 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

You say 'keep it civil' and then you immediately insult all Liberals by stating that Liberals are against freedom.


You shouldn't be insulted by me stating a fact.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:02 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: smithjustinb

What would you suggest instead of Obamacare then? I'm curious - so far I haven't seen or heard of a single Republican idea about what to replace it with. They've voted to repeal is a ridiculous number of times, but not once have they suggested a replacement.



Well. You're wrong about that. There are republican made alternatives to health care reform. However, I can't say if I agree that there's is THE solution either. But in any case, Obamacare is socialist. The worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:05 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

You say 'keep it civil' and then you immediately insult all Liberals by stating that Liberals are against freedom.


You shouldn't be insulted by me stating a fact.


Ah, and there's your problem. You think that your prejudices are facts. I'm a British Liberal Democrat and I do not believe in anyone's freedoms being taken away from them. I think that you have come to believe that every conservative canard against Liberals is correct.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:09 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

You say 'keep it civil' and then you immediately insult all Liberals by stating that Liberals are against freedom.


You shouldn't be insulted by me stating a fact.


Ah, and there's your problem. You think that your prejudices are facts. I'm a British Liberal Democrat and I do not believe in anyone's freedoms being taken away from them. I think that you have come to believe that every conservative canard against Liberals is correct.


I have come to believe that voting liberal is a guarantee that the constitution will be rewritten little by little as it is changed into some oppressive replacement.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:10 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: smithjustinb

What would you suggest instead of Obamacare then? I'm curious - so far I haven't seen or heard of a single Republican idea about what to replace it with. They've voted to repeal is a ridiculous number of times, but not once have they suggested a replacement.



Well. You're wrong about that. There are republican made alternatives to health care reform. However, I can't say if I agree that there's is THE solution either. But in any case, Obamacare is socialist. The worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform.


???? But Obamacare is based on Romneycare. Was Romney a socialist at the time? And the worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform? Seriously? I'm British. We have the NHS. It's not perfect but if I fell down a flight of steps and broke my leg I wouldn't be left with a hideous bill afterwards. Come to that if you came here and did the same thing you'd get treated as well - and you wouldn't have a bill afterwards. As for the worst capitalist reform - getting rid of Glass-Steagall and deregulating the financial markets count as that. How did that work out again? Oh yes - the financial crisis that almost became the second Great Depression.
edit on 23-5-2014 by AngryCymraeg because: Typo



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:12 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

You say 'keep it civil' and then you immediately insult all Liberals by stating that Liberals are against freedom.


You shouldn't be insulted by me stating a fact.


Ah, and there's your problem. You think that your prejudices are facts. I'm a British Liberal Democrat and I do not believe in anyone's freedoms being taken away from them. I think that you have come to believe that every conservative canard against Liberals is correct.


I have come to believe that voting liberal is a guarantee that the constitution will be rewritten little by little as it is changed into some oppressive replacement.


Ok, this is totally baffling to me. Your Constitution HAS been rewritten little by little over the centuries in order to correct various mistakes. What do you call all those amendments?



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:17 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

You say 'keep it civil' and then you immediately insult all Liberals by stating that Liberals are against freedom.


You shouldn't be insulted by me stating a fact.


Ah, and there's your problem. You think that your prejudices are facts. I'm a British Liberal Democrat and I do not believe in anyone's freedoms being taken away from them. I think that you have come to believe that every conservative canard against Liberals is correct.


I have come to believe that voting liberal is a guarantee that the constitution will be rewritten little by little as it is changed into some oppressive replacement.


Ok, this is totally baffling to me. Your Constitution HAS been rewritten little by little over the centuries in order to correct various mistakes. What do you call all those amendments?


Necessary amendments, not an oppressive replacement.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:21 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

You say 'keep it civil' and then you immediately insult all Liberals by stating that Liberals are against freedom.


You shouldn't be insulted by me stating a fact.


Ah, and there's your problem. You think that your prejudices are facts. I'm a British Liberal Democrat and I do not believe in anyone's freedoms being taken away from them. I think that you have come to believe that every conservative canard against Liberals is correct.


I have come to believe that voting liberal is a guarantee that the constitution will be rewritten little by little as it is changed into some oppressive replacement.


Ok, this is totally baffling to me. Your Constitution HAS been rewritten little by little over the centuries in order to correct various mistakes. What do you call all those amendments?


Necessary amendments, not an oppressive replacement.


Yes, but abolishing slavery could be described as a Liberal or progressive amendment. The Conservatives in both South and North wanted to keep it, or at least wait for it to wither on the vine. Was abolishing slavery oppressive?
edit on 23-5-2014 by AngryCymraeg because: Typo / poorly constructed sentence



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:23 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: smithjustinb

What would you suggest instead of Obamacare then? I'm curious - so far I haven't seen or heard of a single Republican idea about what to replace it with. They've voted to repeal is a ridiculous number of times, but not once have they suggested a replacement.



Well. You're wrong about that. There are republican made alternatives to health care reform. However, I can't say if I agree that there's is THE solution either. But in any case, Obamacare is socialist. The worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform.


???? But Obamacare is based on Romneycare. Was Romney a socialist at the time?


Yeah.


And the worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform? Seriously? I'm British. We have the NHS. It's not perfect but if I fell down a flight of steps and broke my leg I wouldn't be left with a hideous bill afterwards. Come to that if you came here and did the same thing you'd get treated as well - and you wouldn't have a bill afterwards.


Do you still pay for it through taxation? If it involves the loss of your freedom to choose whether or not you want to pay for health care, I don't want it.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:27 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: smithjustinb

What would you suggest instead of Obamacare then? I'm curious - so far I haven't seen or heard of a single Republican idea about what to replace it with. They've voted to repeal is a ridiculous number of times, but not once have they suggested a replacement.



Well. You're wrong about that. There are republican made alternatives to health care reform. However, I can't say if I agree that there's is THE solution either. But in any case, Obamacare is socialist. The worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform.


???? But Obamacare is based on Romneycare. Was Romney a socialist at the time?


Yeah.


And the worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform? Seriously? I'm British. We have the NHS. It's not perfect but if I fell down a flight of steps and broke my leg I wouldn't be left with a hideous bill afterwards. Come to that if you came here and did the same thing you'd get treated as well - and you wouldn't have a bill afterwards.


Do you still pay for it through taxation? If it involves the loss of your freedom to choose whether or not you want to pay for health care, I don't want it.


But the NHS is paid for by National Insurance Contributions, which are levied on everyone. It's a tax, but everyone here is fine with it. The concept of people being denied medical care because they can't afford it is an obscene one to me.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:33 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: smithjustinb

What would you suggest instead of Obamacare then? I'm curious - so far I haven't seen or heard of a single Republican idea about what to replace it with. They've voted to repeal is a ridiculous number of times, but not once have they suggested a replacement.



Well. You're wrong about that. There are republican made alternatives to health care reform. However, I can't say if I agree that there's is THE solution either. But in any case, Obamacare is socialist. The worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform.


???? But Obamacare is based on Romneycare. Was Romney a socialist at the time?


Yeah.


And the worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform? Seriously? I'm British. We have the NHS. It's not perfect but if I fell down a flight of steps and broke my leg I wouldn't be left with a hideous bill afterwards. Come to that if you came here and did the same thing you'd get treated as well - and you wouldn't have a bill afterwards.


Do you still pay for it through taxation? If it involves the loss of your freedom to choose whether or not you want to pay for health care, I don't want it.


But the NHS is paid for by National Insurance Contributions, which are levied on everyone. It's a tax, but everyone here is fine with it. The concept of people being denied medical care because they can't afford it is an obscene one to me.


Make no mistake. Obamacare was not instituted for the good of the American people. It was not enacted because the government grew a heart and thought all people should have access to health care. Obamacare was invented as a money making racket. By having young people pay for insurance that they don't need and aren't going to use, thats money going straight into the government's pocket. Not only is it a flawed idea, its filled with lies and deceit that came from Obama to get it enacted.

I don't know what yall have going on over there, maybe it works for you, maybe you don't have to pay the equivalent of a house payment (in some cases) to get health insurance you don't necessarily need, but in America, we have a way of life that we love, and Obamacare goes against it.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:43 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: smithjustinb

What would you suggest instead of Obamacare then? I'm curious - so far I haven't seen or heard of a single Republican idea about what to replace it with. They've voted to repeal is a ridiculous number of times, but not once have they suggested a replacement.



Well. You're wrong about that. There are republican made alternatives to health care reform. However, I can't say if I agree that there's is THE solution either. But in any case, Obamacare is socialist. The worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform.


???? But Obamacare is based on Romneycare. Was Romney a socialist at the time?


Yeah.


And the worst capitalist reform is better than the best socialist reform? Seriously? I'm British. We have the NHS. It's not perfect but if I fell down a flight of steps and broke my leg I wouldn't be left with a hideous bill afterwards. Come to that if you came here and did the same thing you'd get treated as well - and you wouldn't have a bill afterwards.


Do you still pay for it through taxation? If it involves the loss of your freedom to choose whether or not you want to pay for health care, I don't want it.


But the NHS is paid for by National Insurance Contributions, which are levied on everyone. It's a tax, but everyone here is fine with it. The concept of people being denied medical care because they can't afford it is an obscene one to me.


Make no mistake. Obamacare was not instituted for the good of the American people. It was not enacted because the government grew a heart and thought all people should have access to health care. Obamacare was invented as a money making racket. By having young people pay for insurance that they don't need and aren't going to use, thats money going straight into the government's pocket. Not only is it a flawed idea, its filled with lies and deceit that came from Obama to get it enacted.

I don't know what yall have going on over there, maybe it works for you, maybe you don't have to pay the equivalent of a house payment (in some cases) to get health insurance you don't necessarily need, but in America, we have a way of life that we love, and Obamacare goes against it.


I strongly suspect that we both have positions that are a little baffling to the other side, but what the hell. National Insurance Contributions are quite low and are nowhere near as high as a house payment. That sounds extortionate. The NHS works for us and is the third rail of politics. No-one in their right mind would suggest getting rid of it.
As for your post I'm a little confused. Why would young people not need health insurance? Aren't they more likely to have car accidents than older ones? Cancer strikes at all ages. And why does your way of life - what exactly does that mean? - preclude having health insurance?
My wife is American and she regards the old pre-Obamacare system as having been shameful. When she had appendicitis as a kid her parents had to take out a second mortgage to pay for the bill. How is that fair? Why did the US not have a better healthcare system in place? The first time I read 'Executive Orders' by Tom Clancy I scoffed at the bit when Dr Ryan hopes that the married couple that she's treating for Ebola as the result of a terrorist attack are fully paid up on their insurance. Then I went to the States and discovered that that wasn't fiction. Which horrified me. Before the implementation of the ACA the USA was one of the few first world countries without a proper healthcare system.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 04:53 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
National Insurance Contributions are quite low and are nowhere near as high as a house payment. That sounds extortionate. The NHS works for us and is the third rail of politics. No-one in their right mind would suggest getting rid of it.


You hear that people? Affordable care can be affordable. If Obamacare costs of coverage were also "quite low", maybe it wouldn't be a big deal. But people all over are getting screwed. The worst part is, in this country where the government is supposed to be for the people, by the people, the people don't have much choice as to what gets enacted and how the country is run.


As for your post I'm a little confused. Why would young people not need health insurance? Aren't they more likely to have car accidents than older ones?


Idk about that. You're more likely to see an old person in a hospital receiving care than a young person.


And why does your way of life - what exactly does that mean? - preclude having health insurance?


Health insurance should be available (according to the true American way of life) to those who want it, not to those who are forced to have it.


My wife is American and she regards the old pre-Obamacare system as having been shameful. When she had appendicitis as a kid her parents had to take out a second mortgage to pay for the bill. How is that fair? Why did the US not have a better healthcare system in place? The first time I read 'Executive Orders' by Tom Clancy I scoffed at the bit when Dr Ryan hopes that the married couple that she's treating for Ebola as the result of a terrorist attack are fully paid up on their insurance. Then I went to the States and discovered that that wasn't fiction. Which horrified me.


Personally, I believe that pre-ACA, the flaws of the healthcare system were problems with the health care system and not with the insurance system.


Before the implementation of the ACA the USA was one of the few first world countries without a proper healthcare system.


Still don't have a proper health care system.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 05:34 AM
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originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

originally posted by: smithjustinb


So do the statements from that link. Just because the links weren't provided doesn't make the statements not true.


No, the statements from your link are all opinion. And opinions formed from ignorance, fear, and prejudice.

Calling liberals "anti-God" would be false as a fact, since there are many liberals who believe in God, and use God to justify their opinions. It would be an opinion.

Calling feminists man-hating lesbians is also an opinion, given that there are many schools of feminism, as well as feminists who are married or heterosexual.

Claiming liberals are out to destroy the U.S. is ignorant opinion at best, since many are working towards goals they believe will fix America's problems.

Just because you believe something does not make it a fact. Just because you perceive something does not make it a fact.

All you have given me is a list of 60 opinions from someone who is far right and hates an ideology they really don't seem to know anything about, let alone understand.



i read the same ignorant lists about repubs right here in this thread.

lol!

are there any lib creationists? you sure?

repubs don't hate gays or feminists.

yeah, they THINK they are fixing the problems.

i guess we are all guilty of believing and perceiving, eh?



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 05:37 AM
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originally posted by: stormson

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: smithjustinb

Good topic here and good replies by you


@The "Libs"....

So far I've spotted no less than 6 truth "mis-fires" and at least a dozen deflections as usual.

I won't correct them (some already have been) because it's too far off topic. But good try anyway.

The Liberals have exposed themselves again
*Thank You*

Like fish out of the frying pan and into the fire


*** ScoreCard ***

Liberals -7

Conservatives +5







ive read every post and i neither know what youre referring too, nor how your point system works. what deflections, and what "mis-fires"?

what about all the post the show how conservatives are b.s.?


that's what he was talking about!!

there are no bs conservative posts!



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 06:11 AM
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Can I ask what you classify as the 'true American way of life'? Frankly, anyone who doesn't want insurance is either extraordinarily optimistic or ill-informed.



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