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Why are you a liberal?

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posted on May, 26 2014 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: smithjustinb

I was 15 years old and lived in the projects. Underage and no money to buy a gun and no daddy to protect me. After that incident, I was never afraid again. The attackers were 17 and I thought they were my friends, which is how most rapes happen. You do not call the police in the projects. But after that, no one bothered me again. The human will to live is greater than you think.


Yeah. Well my point is, if they would have had guns, "kicking and screaming" probably would not have stopped them. It would have probably got you killed. Again, you're very lucky that you were able to get away.

The human will to live must not be too great in your case, if you don't have take the precaution of owning a gun to defend yourself.

Id hate to see you unable to defend yourself in a dangerous situation.




posted on May, 26 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: smithjustinb

Can I ask why you seem to be so obsessed with guns? It's genuinely baffling for me.



I value my life in this dangerous world where others may not have any regard for my life.

I'd like to know why some of you refuse to have a gun.



posted on May, 26 2014 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb
I'd like to know why some of you refuse to have a gun.
Don't need one. Never have. Not once in my 60 years have I ever said "Boy, this would be better if I had a gun."



posted on May, 26 2014 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

And therein lies your problem, you see the world as a dangerous place. You're views are based out of fear for you and your families life. Why is that?
In my city I can walk down any street in it and have no fear of being stabbed, robbed or shot. So i have no need for a gun.
Yes crimes do happen but having no guns readily available to anyone including criminals means house robberies are very very rarely fatal for either the perpetrator or the victim.
The problem is you have a underclass in society that has no upward mobility and are practically left abandoned which leads to despair and no hope which results in crime and a lack of humanity in most.
Our poor here have homes, access to public services and have a standard of living that is much higher than that in the U.S and so kids have a chance of a good education and the chance to be upwardly mobile taking them and possibly their family out of poverty and breaking the cycle of poverty.



posted on May, 26 2014 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: mclarenmp4
a reply to: smithjustinb

In my city I can walk down any street in it and have no fear of being stabbed, robbed or shot. So i have no need for a gun.



I wouldn't call that being fearless. I would call that ignorance. As in ignoring reality- ignoring the fact that some people just want to kill, rob, or rape. I've been robbed before. If I had a gun on me at the time, the four guys who jumped me wouldn't have been successful. But, unfortunately, that was one group of criminals who would continue on from there thinking they were invincible, thinking they could get away with doing things like that.

As long as there are bad people in the world who attack innocent people, there is a need for good people with guns who stand as a message to them that they aren't invincible. I'm one of those good people. Crime needs to be risky or it will run rampant. Robbing me, from now on, will be risky. Rightly so.



posted on May, 26 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: smithjustinb
I'd like to know why some of you refuse to have a gun.
Don't need one. Never have. Not once in my 60 years have I ever said "Boy, this would be better if I had a gun."


Must be nice.



posted on May, 26 2014 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

No you only see what society is like in the best country in the world, it's an unsafe society.
It's not ignorance it's just that we have a more civilised country and as I pointed out is mostly because we take people out of poverty with socialist programs. In my city we don't have slums or ghetto's and very few homeless, the beggars we have on our streets are not allowed to beg or harass and are mostly drug addicts but again they are a minority and never violent or harrasing. The worst is probably getting beaten up on a Saturday night once the pub closes but we have a high police presence at those times so they are broken up very quickly.
But I'm banging my head against the wall debating the benefits of socialist capitalist society with a conservative American, am I right?
You can see my suggestions about what could solve your current mass shooting incidents in the Michael Moore thread and they don't violate your 2nd amendment rights too much.



posted on May, 26 2014 @ 10:35 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

It is nice.

One more point that someone else brought up is that I also class myself as conservative but a socialist conservative.
Provide the basic needs for everyone, affordable housing, a good national education free of unions, universal healthcare, social security programs with strong back to work programs so that you don't have someone on benefits for life.
Give them the tools to give people the best chance to remove themselves from poverty. But I also believe in smaller government and removing bureaucracy from the system to allow people to do their jobs dealing with whatever it is, whether it's veteran claims etc..
Have the federal government deal with only matters of national importance like those mentioned above, along with the EPA and give the rest of the power to the states. Have direct democracy in the individual states and then the people would have the power to decide on the matters that are important to them and it can be done in this day and age. India had a computerised voting system which was available to 100% of the people and they have over a billion.
If I was american that would be my stance so where would I lie in the political spectrum? Green party.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 05:03 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: smithjustinb

Can I ask why you seem to be so obsessed with guns? It's genuinely baffling for me.



I value my life in this dangerous world where others may not have any regard for my life.

I'd like to know why some of you refuse to have a gun.


I don't refuse to have a gun, I just don't think that I need one. What's the point? The most vicious animal in the area is the odd psychotic squirrel and we've never been burgled or mugged. Besides, my wife - who is American - wouldn't want one as we don't need one. We don't go hunting, there's nowhere to target shoot anywhere and violent crime in the area is minimal. Why would we need a gun?



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 06:50 AM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

I own a gun. Several of them. I have a brother who thinks cell phones are guns, when he is off his meds. We don't let him own a gun, as long as we get the say so.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: smithjustinb
I'd like to know why some of you refuse to have a gun.
Don't need one. Never have. Not once in my 60 years have I ever said "Boy, this would be better if I had a gun."


Must be nice.
Well, that's just it...we don't pat ourselves on the back about it. That's just how it is. It's also why we'll see threads about the 'need for guns' and do a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. I'm not saying it's all peaches and cream, all the time, but it's just not that big a societal deal. That's doesn't keep me from visiting your fair land, as I will be in about a month. But even there...only place I've ever seen a gun is at the border, on a cop, or at a range.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 08:27 AM
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originally posted by: Frith

originally posted by: macman
You are a Progressive, not a Liberal.

Progressive was a term used when liberals were afraid to call themselves liberal after it was demonized over the past few decades.

I'm not one to shy away from what I am. A liberal.


Ahhh no. You really need to go and look at what a Liberal is.

You are for more Govt control. That is not Liberal. That is Progressive.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: macman
Ahhh no. You really need to go and look at what a Liberal is.

You are for more Govt control. That is not Liberal. That is Progressive.

I assure you progressive is a term used how I described it. Maybe you're confusing liberal with libertarian.

The fact is that free market solutions are a sham to promote wealthy interests over the poor. Only government solutions can provide a boost for those without power and influence. Liberals and progressives will tell you the same, because they are the same.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: ArtemisE

It should be a really big hint that intellectuals are almost all progressives.


Almost all intellectuals are paid by progressives, with other peoples money. Intellectuals are given a progressive life style without any other equivalent option. Basically progressives get the first chance to recruit new talent and the progressives have access to everyone's money.

Also F. A. Hayek observed that the progressive point of view is more ergonomic than the truth.




This comment worries me. It's astonishingly badly informed.


The "public" Universities are predominately liberal. Evidence of that is in the political contributors lists.

All of the universities are liberal

Obama Donors Liberal


Romney Donors, Conservative, Zero Universites


Most intellectuals get their credentials from the university system.

Intellectuals who want to live a normal intellectual's life have no choice but to become liberals.

Also, in the short term, there would be no where near as many intellectual jobs during the readjustment to the correct economy. I suspect most intellectuals are made aware of their benefaction.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: Frith

I assure you progressive is a term used how I described it. Maybe you're confusing liberal with libertarian.

No, I am not confusing anything. Liberal used to mean what Libertarians strive for.
Small Govt, less military interaction and so on.



originally posted by: Frith
The fact is that free market solutions are a sham to promote wealthy interests over the poor. Only government solutions can provide a boost for those without power and influence. Liberals and progressives will tell you the same, because they are the same.

Bull$hit on all parts.

Free market is for everyone. You just happen to think the "poor" can't make it without the Govt being there to hold their hand. You have very little confidence in the individual. Plus, you and other Progressives like the control that larger Govt brings.
Govt intervention has brought us what we have today and it seems to be working oh so wonderfully.

And Liberals are not the same as Progressives.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 11:53 AM
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Easy. I lean liberal because I can't think of one social issue in which I agree with the conservative position. That being said, I'm fully willing to vote republican, and have done so in the past for various reasons. I won't vote for the democrat just to tow the party line.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Most intellectuals get their credentials from the university system.
Intellectuals who want to live a normal intellectual's life have no choice but to become liberals.
Also, in the short term, there would be no where near as many intellectual jobs during the readjustment to the correct economy. I suspect most intellectuals are made aware of their benefaction.

That's a pretty hilarious way of interpreting your data. One could also state that most smart people are Liberals, and one would not have to tie one's self in half as many knots.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Self proclaimed smart people is the term you were looking for.

Seems that the "Smart People" have gotten us to the point were we are today. Way to go with that.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: Frith

originally posted by: macman
Ahhh no. You really need to go and look at what a Liberal is.

You are for more Govt control. That is not Liberal. That is Progressive.

I assure you progressive is a term used how I described it. Maybe you're confusing liberal with libertarian.


The word liberal was usurped, coopted, stolen from the true laissez-faire liberal philosophy about 1850.
Demagogues sold freedom from want as the only freedom.

True liberals hold that society alone coordinates all practical human activity.

If government goes bad, society at large is the only remedy. There is no reason for government other than oppression.



The fact is that free market solutions are a sham to promote wealthy interests over the poor.


Technically that is true. Like a starving person can die from an allergic reaction to food, our economy is so deranged on phony money and pretentious expert control that free market solutions are never allowed to run their full course. When the freedom solutions fall short, the blame in never directed toward the true problem, which is, control by people who presume omniscience. Liberals think that government is divine.


Only government solutions can provide a boost for those without power and influence. Liberals and progressives will tell you the same, because they are the same.


Any boost government can provide is more like psychoactive drugs than restorative healing.

The government produces nothing. The poor need basic stuff. The government seriously prevents the production of that stuff by tying up as much of the economy's resources as it can.

The liberal government breaks your legs and give you free crutches.
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posted on May, 27 2014 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Self proclaimed smart people is the term you were looking for.
Seems that the "Smart People" have gotten us to the point were we are today. Way to go with that.

Uh-huh...



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