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posted on May, 24 2014 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire


Then why are red states not providing more tax income to the federal government compared to how much welfare they receive from the federal government?


That's easy.

Because they have highly populated Democrat districts.

Same goes for the high crime statistics.





posted on May, 24 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
Isn't this just a piece of the whole ideal that our fellow Americans can not be responsible in anything, so we need big daddy Government to control it all like if everyone was 5 years old?

Many other things we humans are irresponsible with don't lead to death as quickly and easily as guns. A gun is a huge responsibility and Americans cannot handle that. Time and again that is proven over and over.


On a personal level, could you be responsible with guns if you had them? Or would you also be totally ill responsible around anything that shoots or is sharp?

Don't own a gun and would not. I can control some things in my life. Preventing a gun accident by myself or somebody who might gain access to it is one of them.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: mclarenmp4

I wouldn't call over 50 years "short term" and the system worked until capatalism got it's greedy hands and started protecting big business over the needs of the people.


The short term lasts until it doesn't. I could be wrong, but I suspect that Scotland's economy is in a niche. Maybe it can stay there forever. Good Luck to you.

Capitalism doesn't do anything but make stuff and sell stuff. Any other thing that happens is political, not capitalistic.

Only the government can make you do something that you don't want to do, on a "normal" basis.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Incorrect, the basis for revolting was a tax that amounted to around $5 on Tea per year. The crown enacted laws that made imported Tea to the colonies cheaper than locally grow domestic teas. The imported teas were not taxed but the domestic teas were taxed. Government used taxes to favor one product over another. The tea party was perpetrated by free masons and I assure you they were not conservatives, they were progressive and supported progressive enlightened ideologies.

This progressive group attempted to negotiate with the crown but failed, this directly lead to the writing of the Declaration.

Example of a conservative founding father was John Adams. Example of a progressive liberal Ben Franklin. Both of these men were sent to France to attempt to get aid with our struggle against Great Britain. Adams should have stayed home, he was a christian and very moral person, the definition of conservative and the French didn't give him the time of day. Franklin on the other hand was a boozer and womanizer and fit right in with the French elite and he succeeded in winning over the French to our side, this was the key to victory.
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posted on May, 24 2014 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LDragonFire


Then why are red states not providing more tax income to the federal government compared to how much welfare they receive from the federal government?


That's easy.

Because they have highly populated Democrat districts.

Same goes for the high crime statistics.



Yet blue states has high populated Democrat districts?

Again conservatives blame the weakest in society for there failure of governance. Perhaps you should state the destruction from the civil war as the reasons red states rank low in almost all categories that can be measured.
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posted on May, 24 2014 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: Frith

Many other things we humans are irresponsible with don't lead to death as quickly and easily as guns. A gun is a huge responsibility and Americans cannot handle that. Time and again that is proven over and over.



Murder rates really do not drop with gun control. People will kill no matter what. People will be fat too, so should we force what people can and cannot eat, even skinny people?



Don't own a gun and would not. I can control some things in my life. Preventing a gun accident by myself or somebody who might gain access to it is one of them.


So I guess your answer is you could not trust even yourself with a gun... sad

Butter knives and helmets for all....JKing BTW




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posted on May, 24 2014 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

I should clarify I am not against capitalsm, I am against government corruption by capitalism. Government should never be influenced by interests that go against the will of the people.
I agree and i have no problem with the free market as long as the free market is not protected by government but is heavily regulated and if crimes have been committed then people get sent to jail. The problem is governments didn't allow the free market to do it's job they should have let the banks fail and not burden the taxpayer with their mistakes.

Socialism and capitalism go hand and hand, there is no socialism without capitalism & they can work together as proven in our 50 year experiment.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire


Yet blue states has high populated Democrat districts?


Blue States have higher Democrat Voter populations.

Red States have higher Republican Voter populations.

Click on a Red State and see how many Blue Blotches there are






posted on May, 24 2014 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: LDragonFire


Yet blue states has high populated Democrat districts?


Blue States have higher Democrat Voter populations.

Red States have higher Republican Voter populations.

Click on a Red State and see how many Blue Blotches there are





Your blaming the problems in red states on there democrat districts.

Yet blue states have more democrat district but preform better than red states.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

Just because someone votes Republican doesn't mean they're a Conservative, same goes for Liberals and Democrats. Hell, when I turned 18 I thought I was supposed to vote Republican because my parents told me to.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 02:21 PM
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And the amount of people completely snowed by the fake left/right paradigm becomes ever more apparent.

Seriously, I thought this site was about denying ignorance, yet all I see are posts from ignorant people who think there actually is a difference between left and right.

Politics truly is the new religion.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 02:30 PM
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Your blaming the problems in red states on there democrat districts.

Yet blue states have more democrat district but preform better than red states.


Not me doing the "blaming". You highlighted the problem first.

The "Northern" States have bigger total industry and banking.

And the Blue States have higher total amounts of "assistance" I think (I bet in Democrat districts).








posted on May, 24 2014 @ 02:49 PM
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The term, liberal, applied to the founding Fathers is not the same as the term, liberal, applied to the liberals of today.

The liberals of today, who were the Tories back then, who would have petitioned the King or used parliament to get what they wanted.

England sought to impose something new, and the Colonies saw a precedent that would lead to total subjugation. The American Revolution was fought to keep the status quo. No local leadership was changed.

The Founding Fathers were conservatives. But not Republican Party Republicans.


The tea party was perpetrated by free masons and I assure you they were not conservatives, they were progressive and supported progressive enlightened ideologies.


The Freemasons offered a moral way of socializing in a Christian country. Any form of socializing could enable conspiratorial communication.

Over all, the Articles of Confederation show that no progressive force predominated among the revolutionaries. Centralization of power was disdained-- no reason could make it acceptable. The Constitution was fought against and was enacted mostly because the US Government promised to take on all of the colonies war debts. The Constitution expressly forbids the Progressive mode of action at the Federal level, in the language of the 18th Century. Any other "interpretation" is done by the Federal Government. (What a coincidence)

There were no Progressives in America until after the Civil War had made the Central Government a fait accompli.


I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy. The institutions of your Republic have not exercised on the old world the salutary and liberating influence which ought to have belonged to them, by reason of those defects and abuses of principle which the Confederate Constitution was expressly and wisely calculated to remedy. I believed that the example of that great Reform would have blessed all the races of mankind by establishing true freedom purged of the native dangers and disorders of Republics. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization; and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo.


Letter from Lord Acton--"Absolute power corrupts absolutely" to Robert E. Lee



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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Also do you know who else was a liberal and it's no surprise his point of view is still relevant today even though he died 20 years ago, Bill Hicks.
He was the inspiration for the likes of Jon Stewart & the awesome Stephen Colbert imo but Bill was the man, his end speech on his revelations tour is the perfect example of liberal thinking.



I also have an avatar of a man that America created during the depression as a moral crusader who was the champion of the oppressed and was also very very liberal but that didn't stop him being the biggest comic book superhero in the world.
Here's an interesting video from a fellow Scot who shows us how these characters have a lot to teach the power people of the world.




posted on May, 24 2014 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: mclarenmp4

Government should never be influenced by interests that go against the will of the people.


But it always is. Like that is what it is made to do. Every time.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 03:37 PM
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But it shouldn't, that's what we call apathy or the realisation that you are dealing with a force so great that the only way forward is through subjugation. This is the point about America as it stands, the 2nd amendment was precisely there for when a government no longer represents the will of the people and it's been that way since Reagon.
But most people realise that you are in such a militarlised police state there is no way to organise groups to plan for an organised militia and so the only way you can have any chance is through a heavily funded political race which is really just a smoke screen.
The states need to take back their power and the federal government should only deal with national programs like social security, postal and income tax.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 03:46 PM
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I should add that you need to stop the political race from being a hugely funded race which is where the influence is exerted. In the UK the parties are funded and there are limits to how much is donated and it's transparent, companies are not allowed to donate only personal donations. There is limits to how much the party can use for media etc.. so it's tightly controlled and you are voting for the party who is represented by their party leader who if his party wins becomes the Prime Minister.
So you can apply similar principles to the political campaigns by stopping companies from donating, reduce the cult of personality which goes with U.S politics and base it on policy rather than hollow rhetoric.

You also need to start a party that meets both liberal and conservative views because the current 2 party system doesn't work and people are often rooted to 1 party because there are no other viable options.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 05:39 PM
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There's really no place here where I see a serious discussion popping up, so let me just ask you a question to help my understanding, then I'll go away and bother someone else.


Yet blue states have more democrat district but preform better than red states.
I would assume that Democrat states would have more Democrat districts, but what do you mean by "Perform better?" Lower unemployment? Less corruption? Fewer restrictions?



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: Frith

Don't own a gun and would not. I can control some things in my life. Preventing a gun accident by myself or somebody who might gain access to it is one of them.


So. What's your address?



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

Ah. Intimidation. Now all you need is a gun.




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