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Why are you a liberal?

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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 08:36 PM
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Lets keep it civil here. I'm genuinely interested in why liberals choose that political affiliation.

I see liberal ideology as one that is against individual sovereignty and freedom. This is how it gets represented by the legislators who claim to be liberal. I see liberalism as a progressive agenda who's means of attaining a "better America" involve the introduction of legislation upon legislation until there are so many laws that people can hardly breathe without breaking the law or without being taxed. Everything that a liberal claims to "accomplish" seems to be an act that violates the bill of rights in one aspect or another.

So, why do people support a political agenda that consistently violates our freedom?

Don't you know that all revolutions and uprisings are about the people wanting to be free? Eventually, if liberals have their way, America is going to become a country where the people are going to revolt because they've lost their freedom. Why not just put a stop to it now, and stop voting liberal?
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Freedom is the greatest thing a person can have, imo. That's why I can't understand why people support a political agenda that consistently takes that away. Why do you support it?
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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb
Lets keep it civil here. I'm genuinely interested in why liberals choose that political affiliation.
If that were true, you wouldn't have loaded your post with a running "Are you still beating your wife" vibe.

But thanks for your interest, just the same.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 08:51 PM
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I by no means consider myself a liberal, but I'm sure I would be painted as such by certain beliefs that I hold. I'm not here really to debate why someone, anyone, would choose a label. I honestly don't know why anyone would limit themselves by pretending to be something. Perhaps it's so they can feel included in a non-inclusive reality, maybe that warm fuzzy feeling of agreeing with "like-minded" people, I haven't a clue.

To me an agenda is not what a party writes, but what a party does. Liberals and conservatives are one in the same. They both seek to run things as they individually believe right, in my mind it is a misnomer to label either with such blanket limits as liberal or conservative as they are both selfish dips trying to get more for them and theirs. A true liberal would be one who seeks freedom and prosperity for all, while a conservative would seek as much freedom and prosperity as can be afforded without offense to as many as possible. While in actually, the two are much closer to limits for all in the face of what they think is correct, regardless of truth or fact.

I simple wish to move the discussion along, so I would ask you for clarity before the red vs. blue begins, and the narrow minded begin slinging their feces. Can you give us some examples of what liberals claim to have accomplished?

edit: Ain't it interesting that the Canucks run here first?

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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

I am not a liberal nor am I conservative because I can see both sides. I think there are lunatics and destructive policies coming from both camps.

Each side has its throwbacks and degenerates neither side is good for the country by itself that is why there are checks and balances. Why vote for either party people should be voting for a third party, but it will not happen. As long as one group has a base so will the other because believe it or not people do not always agree on things. It is amazing the country is still functioning...err...sort of.

Anyway there are plenty of informative threads already on here about why people are liberals written by liberals and even some by conservatives like yourself (I can say that because of your avatar) asking the same questions. I haven't seen a thread of a conservative explaining why they are a conservative though..that would be interesting.
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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: smithjustinb
Lets keep it civil here. I'm genuinely interested in why liberals choose that political affiliation.
If that were true, you wouldn't have loaded your post with a running "Are you still beating your wife" vibe.

But thanks for your interest, just the same.


I don't know what you mean. But your language does sound like you're trying not to keep it civil. So no thanks.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

IMO liberals are really National Socialists.

I believe that the Nazi party is alive and well right here in America.

Look at our government it's huge! More Americans then not depend on government. They always ramp up hate via, race, class, sex, you name it.

Then you have taxes on everything, keeping businesses going over seas, and shutting down the little guy, and an out of control spending addiction, on things that just don't make sense.

If I understand it right the only way to bring a country back from complete economic collapse is socialism.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: JaspersCheese
I by no means consider myself a liberal, but I'm sure I would be painted as such by certain beliefs that I hold. I'm not here really to debate why someone, anyone, would choose a label. I honestly don't know why anyone would limit themselves by pretending to be something.


I hate when people tell me I'm limiting myself by choosing a political party. They think I am a zombie who doesn't think for myself. Usually, they call themselves "independent".

But that's not me. I am a conservative because I arrived at my beliefs and then found out that a label existed which described them exactly as they are. No one is telling me how to think. I think for myself, and my thoughts just so happen to align with the conservative values. Check out my avatar. That's me.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:02 PM
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I believe that as long as money, regardless of the source, controls election outcomes, the average Joe or Jane is always going to get screwed. You can't base elections on who has the most financial backing and expect an unbiased result. It just isn't reasonable.

Just look at the fact that corporations have the same, if not more rights than individuals today
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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb


I hate when people tell me I'm limiting myself by choosing a political party.


But yet you've pigeon holed anybody who calls themselves a 'liberal'?

Seems a bit like you aren't practicing what you preach.

~Tenth



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: JaspersCheese
Can you give us some examples of what liberals claim to have accomplished?


Obamacare. (takes away freedom to choose to get health coverage).

Gun control. (if they had accomplished it would have taken away our ability to enforce our constitutional rights)

That's just a couple. There are many more.


edit: Ain't it interesting that the Canucks run here first?


Why would that be interesting?



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: smithjustinb


I hate when people tell me I'm limiting myself by choosing a political party.


But yet you've pigeon holed anybody who calls themselves a 'liberal'?

Seems a bit like you aren't practicing what you preach.

~Tenth


No. If they call themselves a liberal, then they are subscribing to liberalism as it is today. That's not pigeon holing. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. If anything I described liberalism as doesn't apply to someone who claims to be liberal, he/she probably isn't a liberal.

And what am I preaching?
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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: terriblyvexed
a reply to: smithjustinb

IMO liberals are really National Socialists.

I believe that the Nazi party is alive and well right here in America.

Look at our government it's huge! More Americans then not depend on government. They always ramp up hate via, race, class, sex, you name it.

Then you have taxes on everything, keeping businesses going over seas, and shutting down the little guy, and an out of control spending addiction, on things that just don't make sense.


I agree.


If I understand it right the only way to bring a country back from complete economic collapse is socialism.


I'd rather the economy collapse.


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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb
Let's try this, if you''re really interested:

“I’m proud to say I’m a liberal”: How conservatives vulgarized a term — and why the left must reclaim it FDR and JFK proudly called themselves "liberal" -- but then the right made it a slur. Why it must be embraced again

Salon

And just because I like props (but bear in mind I am a Canadian liberal)...



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

You realize that a lot of conservative principles are actually rooted in liberalism right?

Like the following:

1. Forcing recognition of religion in public spaces & gov.

2.Legislating people's rights such as abortion, drugs etc.

Conservatives legislate their ideology as much as liberals do, while claiming that they are doing the opposite.

Leaving people to make their own decisions and keeping government out of your wallet, your bedroom and your right to poison yourself with whatever you please, is a conservative mindset.

Very few conservatives are actually conservatives. Most are just Liberals involved in a giant LARPING session.

~Tenth



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: smithjustinb
Let's try this, if you''re really interested:

“I’m proud to say I’m a liberal”: How conservatives vulgarized a term — and why the left must reclaim it FDR and JFK proudly called themselves "liberal" -- but then the right made it a slur. Why it must be embraced again

Salon

And just because I like props (but bear in mind I am a Canadian liberal)...



I just saw this on yahoo answers. Someone made my reply for me. Voted "Best Answer". Pretty much refutes every one of these claimed "accomplishments" and either shows that they are outright untrue or it exposes their weaknesses.


Let me start by making a few points about what you have written.
First, Social Security is the biggest ponzi scheme in the world. In less than 10 years, there will be 70 million baby-boomers that start collecting Social Security. Compare that with the fact that there will only be 125 million people in the workforce and we are looking at an enormous problem.
www.npg.org...

Second, Nasa was started under Eisenhower, who was a Republican.
en.wikipedia.org...

Medicare and Medicaid are all but broke, and are two of the entitlement programs that even Obama says are bankrupting the country.
www.washingtonpost.com...

The Clean Water Act was passed by Nixon (a Republican) in 1972.
en.wikipedia.org...

Anti-discrimination laws have been passed since 1871, and have been passed and enforced by both Republicans and Democrats.
en.wikipedia.org...
Furthermore most people agree that anti-discrimination laws like Affirmative Action do more to promote racism than nullify it.

The FDIC is part of the reason that the economy is in shambles right now- not to mention that the bailouts are happening because the FDIC is broke. If there were no Federal Reserve, there would be no need for an FDIC. Both are monstrosities of Economics.

Unemployment insurance is another scam by liberals that takes a fractional problem and turns it into a national problem. This is not an achievement. It is a scam.

And you are right that FDR helped win WWII, along with the help of Winston Churchill, who was a Conservative. Not to mention that FDR's isolationist stance let Germany take control of most of Europe before deciding to help...


OK now for Republican Achievements:
-I guess I can steal Nasa from you because it was created by Republicans.
-I guess I can steal the Clean Water Act from you because it was created by Republicans.
-Republicans freed the slaves.
-Republicans defeated the Soviets in the Cold War.
-Republicans ended Vietnam, which was started by Democrats.
-The Republicans in Congress went on to pass the nation’s first ever Civil Rights Act and I have a source to back it up.
www.politicalbase.com...
-Republicans passed the Constitutional Amendment that allowed Blacks to vote.
-Republicans passed the Constitutional Amendment that allowed women to vote.
-Republicans created the Tuskegee Institute
-Republicans repealed FDR's orders that Japanese Americans could be held, without habeas corpus, in internment camps


You want to give me thumbs down? Why don't you give me a source that refutes what I have written.
You want to rant and rave about how bad conservatives are and you will NEVER accept FACTS when they are right in your face.

For the record, I am NOT EVEN A REPUBLICAN. You need to stop spreading polarization and lies just because you can't accept facts that disprove the church of liberalism.

You are no different than a Creationist!

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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: smithjustinb


I hate when people tell me I'm limiting myself by choosing a political party.


But yet you've pigeon holed anybody who calls themselves a 'liberal'?

Seems a bit like you aren't practicing what you preach.

~Tenth


No. If they call themselves a liberal, then they are subscribing to liberalism as it is today. That's not pigeon holing. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. If anything I described liberalism as doesn't apply to someone who claims to be liberal, he/she probably isn't a liberal.

And what am I preaching?


I think you have a very limited view of what a liberal is and I think most liberals would disagree with "your" definition of them.

If you really want to know here is a link to a very thoughtful well written thread on the subject by one of our MODs.

Liberalism Through The Eyes of a Proud Liberal

If you are truly searching for a better understanding then that is best place to start IMO.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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All I know is, if I vote conservative, there is a much greater chance that my values will be fought for than if I vote liberal. If I vote liberal, there's a much greater chance that my freedoms will be infringed than if I vote conservative.

So, I just want to know why do people vote for people that are pretty much guaranteeing that they will take your freedoms away?



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: JaspersCheese
I by no means consider myself a liberal, but I'm sure I would be painted as such by certain beliefs that I hold. I'm not here really to debate why someone, anyone, would choose a label. I honestly don't know why anyone would limit themselves by pretending to be something.


I hate when people tell me I'm limiting myself by choosing a political party. They think I am a zombie who doesn't think for myself. Usually, they call themselves "independent".

But that's not me. I am a conservative because I arrived at my beliefs and then found out that a label existed which described them exactly as they are. No one is telling me how to think. I think for myself, and my thoughts just so happen to align with the conservative values. Check out my avatar. That's me.


The arises that when you label yourself a conservative, for a lot of people today, that means your for big business, little to no oversight when it comes to regulatory organizations, no help for those that find themselves indigent or without out means and pretty much today's mainstream republican.

Well thanks to that way of thinking without willingness to broaden there perspectives to recognize we Americans are all in this same boat together has gotten us where we are today. China and Russia looking to dominate the world economy, Opec nations looking to bulldoze our political influence in their regions with frightening effects and rampant inequality in our own workforce for the majority of our population.

Until we find a way to balance our cultural differences about how our government should work, we're f$&ked.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:22 PM
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What liberalism is defined as might not necessarily be how it is represented. Im not talking about the definition of liberal. I'm talking about when you go to vote and vote for a liberal, what you're voting for. The outcome of voting liberal is going to be oppression.

I don't care what you want to call me. I'm voting for those who represent freedom. It turns out, those are the conservative candidates, and not the liberals.
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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 09:27 PM
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The last time I voted for a presidential republican he sent me to Iraq and by the time I came back there were plenty of freedoms missing then as well plus spying on Americans was made legal. AKA Patriot act.

I don't think your party is any better than the other in that respect.




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