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originally posted by: Scdfa
I recommend reading the book "Night Siege", co-written by J. Allen Hyneck himself, it provides a decent overview of the situation. Unfortunately, Hyneck insisted on omitting all alien abduction claims of witnesses, he insisted the public could not accept anything further than UFO sightings.
originally posted by: pinebushanomaly
a reply to: Scdfa
Hey Scdfa, would be interested in hearing more about your experiences, and in what part of the Hudson Valley you were in, if you don't mind elaborating. Brofjw did a fantastic job with his posts above nailing the mysterious complicated texture of the Pine Bush story, and a lot of that can be applied to other areas of Hudson Valley, like Carmel and the Reservoir Road area. Obviously this has struck a chord with folks like raceagainstsarkness, HAARPO and myself.
originally posted by: brofjw
There were utterly bizarre things which were seen by many people throughout the area, including myself and my closest friends.
originally posted by: jritzmann
originally posted by: brofjw
There were utterly bizarre things which were seen by many people throughout the area, including myself and my closest friends.
You're not kidding. Pine Bush NY is one of the strangest places I have ever been.
I went there with my research associate many years ago now, in about the timeframe you mention, early 90's. Spent the day from early morning and left around 4am that next day. While there, we did not see any structured objects such as had been reported - but we saw some really bizarre stuff.
1) A lemur behind the McDonalds. Yes, a lemur. An animal that clearly didn't belong there. We saw it clearly, and it was unmistakable.
2) During the day, we drove around the area - Searsville road we must have gone up and down 100 times, that supposed to be the hot area. Saw nothing UFO related. But, we did turn a corner and see a low flying helicopter, with soldiers repelling out of it. They were very close, and we didn't stick around long. Somewhere buried in the VHS tape dump I have video I shot there and that is on it.
As night approached, it was like Black Bart was coming to town. People shut windows and shutters and disappeared inside. We didn't see 3 people all night. We thought that was really strange. This was summertime - and during the day people were hiking and biking, and all sort of recreational stuff. We expected to see a lot of people out and about...but it was a ghost town.
3) As we left we passed around and down a mountain, which overlooked some kind of hang gliding school or something. There was a big grass circle there we saw in the daytime that looked like a cropcircle (but it was a training target of some kind) On the other side of that field with the hang gliding was a country store on a corner where we made a left to leave. As we looked over on the mountain we just came down, there was a very large golden sphere of light - very big - which seemed to be hovering to the left of the peak. Against my better judgement I let my friend talk me into going up the mountain again. When we got up top, there was no light. When we came off the mountain again, it was there.
Ted Phillips has reported the same effect in Marley Woods.
4) By this time I was freaked. I just wanted to leave. We'd had a very disturbing feeling while stopped on Searsville road near an open field. We saw nothing but black. But we palpably felt an overwhelming "watched" sensation that made us both highly uneasy. It came upon us both at the same time, and my friend spoke first "do you feel that?" He didn't have to ask, I already was. It was truly, truly, external and very overwhelming. We had the feeling we were to get out of there, like someone was saying to leave. Psychological? Always a possibility - but this was absurdly strong. Indescribable really.
5) As I was already freaked, we tore out the road I mentioned by the store, and off to the right side of the road - right by the road - was an approximately 6' tall ball of smoke. That's the only way I know to describe it. I did not mention it to my friend until we were way out of there. He did not see it as he was talking to me, and had I said "look at that" he'd have wanted to stop. I would not have. He was much more at peace with his fear than I was. I couldn't take it, and I had to get the hell out of there.
In short, if someone offered me a 24 hour all expense paid trip there plus 5K in cash I still wouldn't go. You couldn't get me back there on a bet. Lee, (my friend and research associate) went back. Alone, and spent the night camping in the woods near there. He had a pivotal experience there that made him effectively leave the field behind, only recently returning to interest in it. He's a far braver man than I. Like I said...not on a bet would I ever go back.
The only equally strange place(s) I can say are, one that I know and keep confidential - and the other is Gulf Breeze, FLA - where I've been a few times and experienced some weird stuff there too. But not near the magnitude of absurdity as Pine Bush. Gulf Breeze I don't think I'd have an issue going back now. But it's no less weird.
Pine Bush? Forget it. Nope Nope Nope.
originally posted by: brofjw
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Maybe only the character Ellen Crystall is dead but the agent who played the role has simply been reassigned or retired. Or may maybe she Is dead....bumped off after she became a liability. She may have even been a real person and a real believer...but one who was cultivated and used by the CIA unknowingly, with her mind filled with the very dung that she was intended to spread around.
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