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Former Abortion Clinic Owner: We Pushed Sex Ed on Kids to Create a Market for Abortion

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posted on May, 23 2014 @ 01:33 AM
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a reply to: Happy1

Well, that's a lot more of the big picture than I brought out, and all accurate.

A lot of things really are tied together, that some don't want to accept are tied together. Ironic, on a conspiracy site, isn't it?

Don't forget the abortion remains burned for heating in more than one place, either. Give them time, and they'll be killing people for body parts for those they decide "deserve" life. The utilitarian bioethicists already talk about that.




posted on May, 23 2014 @ 06:36 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Hehe I just looked up the stats..... There are 225,000 medical malpractice DEATHS a year..... While there have been 86 abortion malpractice verdicts in the last 10 years ( that's including death and injury) . So abortion probubally has less malpractice cases then any other medical field... And that's while you have the entire right wing attempting to prove institutional evilness the entire time.


Myth busted! Those stats don't lie. Almost a quarter million medical deaths vs. 86 MALpRACTICE suits ( not only deaths ) in the abortion industry in a decade!



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 06:47 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes


Yea the burning babies for heat was debunked as well. The hospital incenerates all medical infectious material. Which is ANY Human tissue a doctor removes. Including a pulled tooth or an amputated finger or the placenta after a birth. It's required by law to deal with these things in specific ways. The incenerator is tied into the heating system to save on energy.

No one was like " Hey, it's cold. Throw a couple more babies on the fire". They incenorate all there medical waste. Which is tied into there heating system as an energy saving technique.

Way to go on a conspiracy site to spread disinformation. That's like handing out abortion coupons at a pro-life rally....


No one makes an OP on ATS that isn't researched by some one.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Hehe I just looked up the stats..... There are 225,000 medical malpractice DEATHS a year..... While there have been 86 abortion malpractice verdicts in the last 10 years ( that's including death and injury) . So abortion probubally has less malpractice cases then any other medical field... And that's while you have the entire right wing attempting to prove institutional evilness the entire time.


Myth busted! Those stats don't lie. Almost a quarter million medical deaths vs. 86 MALpRACTICE suits ( not only deaths ) in the abortion industry in a decade!


Medical malpractice is hard to be reported by an infant that was born alive and then thrown in a dumpster, eh? Are you really that clueless? Wow. You must be intentionally not reading the news. Look up Kermit Gosnell. He alone has more than 86 malpractice cases.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 06:56 AM
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Rate of abortion is highest in countries where practice is banned

Abortion rates are higher in countries where the procedure is illegal and nearly half of all abortions worldwide are unsafe, with the vast majority in developing countries, a new study concludes.

Experts could not say whether more liberal laws led to fewer procedures, but said good access to birth control in those countries resulted in fewer unwanted pregnancies.

The global abortion rate remained virtually unchanged from 2003 to 2008, at about 28 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44, a total of about 43.8 million abortions, according to the study. The rate had previously been dropping since 1995.

About 47,000 women died from unsafe abortions in 2008, and another 8.5 million women had serious medical complications. Almost all unsafe abortions were in developing countries, where the number of family planning and contraceptive programmes have stopped increasing.

"An abortion is actually a very simple and safe procedure," said Gilda Sedgh, a senior researcher at the US-based Guttmacher Institute.

"All of these deaths and complications are easily avoidable," said Dr Sedgh, the study's lead author.

Dr Sedgh and colleagues concluded that the proportion of unsafe abortions rose from 44 per cent in 1995 to 49 per cent in 2008, the last year for which statistics were available and studied in the report. Dr Sedgh acknowledged it was difficult to get an accurate number for unsafe abortions in particular and described their estimates as modest.

They used sources including official statistics, national surveys and hospital records. To account for unreported abortions, they made adjustments and relied on information from other kinds of studies, expert assessments and surveys of women.

The research was published yesterday in The Lancet medical journal.

Abortion rates were lowest in Western Europe – at 12 per 1,000 – and highest in Eastern Europe at 43 per 1,000. The rate in North America was 19 per 1,000.

Dr Sedgh said there was a link between higher abortion rates and regions with more restrictive legislation, such as in Latin America and Africa. They also found that 95 to 97 per cent of abortions in those regions were unsafe. The authors defined unsafe abortion as any procedure done by people lacking necessary skills or in places that did not meet minimal medical standards.


www.independent.co.uk...



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 06:59 AM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
What is there to wake up to? A woman who desires an abortion will get one regardless of the legality of it. Legal abortions make sure the procedure is safe, clean, and the appropriate tools are used. Just because one particular abortion clinic uses unethical procedures to increase revenue, doesn't damn the whole industry.

This thread is making a mountain out of a molehill. Prosecute the abortion clinic, but don't pretend like this indicative of the whole industry. You need to produce more evidence to make that claim.


When abortion wasn't legal, it wasn't nearly as common as it is today. Since Roe Vs Wade, more than fifty-five million babies have been killed by abortion.


Pure rhetoric. There are more people on the planet since abortion wasn't legal. Naturally there will be more abortions. Not to mention the legality permits people to do it in the open. There is no way to know the total number of abortions performed when it was illegal because those things weren't reported due to their legality.


Plus, the procedures are not safe and clean simply because they are legal. Did you miss all the news about Kermit Gosnell? Look him up. He's no the only one to perform unsafe procedures, run an unsafe clinic, and place women in danger. Not by a long shot.


They are certainly safer than if they weren't legal. Or do you think a woman going down a back alley and getting an operated on on with rusty tools is somehow the same as those lone examples you just mentioned?


When a nationwide group like Planned Parenthood is known to cover for men that molest under-age girls, is it really that hard to believe this is a national problem?


Oh PLEASE just stop with the emotional rhetoric. Bad people exist regardless of legality. Finding examples of bad eggs does not mean we throw everyone under the bus. Sorry, but I don't respond to emotional rhetoric. I look logically and your example does nothing to provide evidence to your cause except that some bad people exist and maybe an organization is corrupt (corruption, another fact of life regardless of legality), though you didn't provide any evidence for this so deny ignorance or whatever.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 07:10 AM
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en.m.wikipedia.org...


You keep selling lies and I'll keep debunking them. Goznell got 3 first degree murder and one involuntary manslaughter conviction. You really do believe any anti abortion lies you hear huh?...... Or at least you spread them.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

If she can't make a false equivilency, how is she supposed to spread her disinformation!?!?!

That's not fair at all.....

:p



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
When a nationwide group like Planned Parenthood is known to cover for men that molest under-age girls,


The Roman catholic church is very good at covering up priests who molest underage girls and boys - it hides them, refuses to report their crimes to the police and even move them to a new area where there are fresh children for church of Rome priests to molest!

This is the same church that condemns birth control!



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Hehe I just looked up the stats..... There are 225,000 medical malpractice DEATHS a year..... While there have been 86 abortion malpractice verdicts in the last 10 years ( that's including death and injury) . So abortion probubally has less malpractice cases then any other medical field... And that's while you have the entire right wing attempting to prove institutional evilness the entire time.


Myth busted! Those stats don't lie. Almost a quarter million medical deaths vs. 86 MALpRACTICE suits ( not only deaths ) in the abortion industry in a decade!


And as a "right Wing pro gun wacko" does anyone want to go after the 225,000 deaths from medical malpractice or is there an anti-gun agenda in place no one will admit to? BTW the numbers are higher when you include medication mistakes.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: MarlinGrace

Actually it's the right trying to make it harder to sue in malpractice cases. Not the left. That's conservatism IMHO. Ignore some massive societal issue and focus on the war on Christmas lmao!



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Hehe I just looked up the stats..... There are 225,000 medical malpractice DEATHS a year..... While there have been 86 abortion malpractice verdicts in the last 10 years ( that's including death and injury) . So abortion probubally has less malpractice cases then any other medical field... And that's while you have the entire right wing attempting to prove institutional evilness the entire time.


Myth busted! Those stats don't lie. Almost a quarter million medical deaths vs. 86 MALpRACTICE suits ( not only deaths ) in the abortion industry in a decade!


Well, when "privacy" issues and poor oversight make it next to impossible to even file such a case, that's about what one would expect. Those stats prove only that you should expect more abortion malpractice cases, based on the numbers alone.

Myth busted? Not even close. All you did was show that the facts are covered up.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes


Yea the burning babies for heat was debunked as well. The hospital incenerates all medical infectious material. Which is ANY Human tissue a doctor removes. Including a pulled tooth or an amputated finger or the placenta after a birth. It's required by law to deal with these things in specific ways. The incenerator is tied into the heating system to save on energy.

No one was like " Hey, it's cold. Throw a couple more babies on the fire". They incenorate all there medical waste. Which is tied into there heating system as an energy saving technique.

Way to go on a conspiracy site to spread disinformation. That's like handing out abortion coupons at a pro-life rally....


No one makes an OP on ATS that isn't researched by some one.


No, it wasn't "debunked". They were burning aborted fetuses and using that for heat. Burning materials is one thing; heating with them is another. If you don't think so, walk into any maternity ward and explain to all the new parents that the heat they are enjoying is courtesy of murdered babies. See what reaction you get.

You have nothing but denial.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 11:26 PM
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No, that isn't "rhetoric"; that's the number. Calling it something else doesn't change the reality. Claiming that more people means more murdered children is also lame. You can bet that fifty-five million women didn't have illegal abortions.

Tell your claims about them being "safer" to all those women that encountered Gosnell, or someone like him. The safety thing is a lie. Little to no oversight, "privacy" used as a wall; the simple fact is you can't claim any safety at all, because most of these places aren't ever checked for that. But, hey, perpetuate the myth, and continue to place in danger the women your side claims to care about. Sensible people know the truth.

If you don't appreciate the discussion, feel free to go read something else. It's clear that some people know how accrate this is, and will go to any length to try and discredit the facts.



posted on May, 24 2014 @ 11:29 PM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
When a nationwide group like Planned Parenthood is known to cover for men that molest under-age girls,


The Roman catholic church is very good at covering up priests who molest underage girls and boys - it hides them, refuses to report their crimes to the police and even move them to a new area where there are fresh children for church of Rome priests to molest!

This is the same church that condemns birth control!


This is a thread about abortion clinics using sex ed to create a market for abortions. If you want to discuss the Catholic church scandal, make a thread for that. That has nothing to do with this one.



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 07:31 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Anyone who wants to discuss reality should go somewhere else lol.


Every single point you have made is easily discredited. If you did any actual research you wouldn't fall for there garbage either.



Did you really say that all the facts say your wrong is PROOF of a cover up? Can you imagine if you put that same logic to the rest of your life?


The low fuel light comming on and your tank being on E is proof there's gas in the car. Your car is just trying to cover it up. :p



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 07:46 AM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes


Yea the burning babies for heat was debunked as well. The hospital incenerates all medical infectious material. Which is ANY Human tissue a doctor removes. Including a pulled tooth or an amputated finger or the placenta after a birth. It's required by law to deal with these things in specific ways. The incenerator is tied into the heating system to save on energy.

No one was like " Hey, it's cold. Throw a couple more babies on the fire". They incenorate all there medical waste. Which is tied into there heating system as an energy saving technique.

Way to go on a conspiracy site to spread disinformation. That's like handing out abortion coupons at a pro-life rally....


No one makes an OP on ATS that isn't researched by some one.





you are right...but after doing countless searches, I have come to the conclusion over the years, that hyperbolic phrases, lies, and misinformation are the "bread and butter" in some categories on ATS.....you get to a point where you have to assume that lies are being told, and work backward to see if there is a sliver of truth
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posted on May, 25 2014 @ 07:56 AM
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Your right. But I do kinda enjoy busting disinformation agents wide open.



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 08:37 AM
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This information contradicts some of what you are saying:


The U.S. teenage pregnancy rate was at a high in the 1950s and has decreased since then, although there has been an increase in births out of wedlock.[21] The teenage pregnancy rate decreased significantly in the 1990s; this decline manifested across all racial groups, although teenagers of African-American and Hispanic descent retain a higher rate, in comparison to that of European-Americans and Asian-Americans. The Guttmacher Institute attributed about 25% of the decline to abstinence and 75% to the effective use of contraceptives.[22] While in 2006 the U.S. teen birth rate rose for the first time in fourteen years,[23] it reached a historic low in 2010: 34.3 births per 1,000 women aged 15–19.[1]


en.wikipedia.org...

Note that the teen pregnancy rate was at a high during the 1950's -- when there was no comprehensive sex education in schools. Also the largest decline in teen pregnancies was during the 1990's - attributed mostly to the use of contraceptives. Planned Parenthood must have been doing something right! Also, sex ed in schools was really going strong on a national level about that time, after the AIDS crisis of the 1980's. Coincidence?

Teen abortion rates have, for the most part, followed the same trends as teen pregnancies. They have been declining since abortion was made legal.


Teenage Abortion Rate

In 2008 the teen abortion rate was 17.8 abortions per 1,000 women, the lowest rate since abortion was legalized. Abortion rates for teens peaked in 1988 at 43.5 per thousand; compared with the 2008 rate, that represents a decline of 59%. Although teen birth and abortion rates have been on a steady decline for more than two decades, in 2006 there was an short-lived increase in both the teenage birth and abortion rate. Both rates resumed their decline according to 2008 figures.


womensissues.about.com...



posted on May, 25 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Are you seriously saying that legal, regulated abortion is generally more dangerous than backstreet illegal termination? And your evidence for this is one bad doctor?

You'll have a hard time convincing many people with that.




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