Former Abortion Clinic Owner: We Pushed Sex Ed on Kids to Create a Market for Abortion

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

This woman spent years working in the abortion industry, and anyone claiming she's lying better have some evidence, or valid reason to doubt her word. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

My daughter has not had such "education." How's that for a valid reason?

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
"Bullcrap" based on what facts, exactly?

A very good question - what facts do we have that abortion clinics push sex ed?

Nothing at all, of course as it is just bullcrap!

That was one of the most idiotic things I've ever read. I don't even know where to start. The article and opinions/conclusions were so dumb my jaw actually started dropping.

a reply to: Phage

Not all schools have identical programs. I have spoken to people that have heard such things in school (students), and to parents that had kids who were exposed to that sort of stuff as well. I had a teenager that was in public school, too, before we started home schooling, and that was one reason we started. Be glad your daughter isn't learning that sort of thing. A lot of kids do. I spoke with someone who stated, in the school system where they work, teachers had fourth grade kids drawing pics of genitals of the opposite sex, as part of some "family life" program.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Yeah, I've heard all kinds of things too.
Never seen the evidence to back the claims up though.

a reply to: hellobruce

The statement of a person that worked for years in the industry is evidence, and admissible in court. This might not be in all schools yet, but it's in a lot of them. Did you miss news reports of graphic descriptions of sexual practices being taught in some schools?

originally posted by: Domo1
That was one of the most idiotic things I've ever read. I don't even know where to start. The article and opinions/conclusions were so dumb my jaw actually started dropping.

Do you have anything to actually add? All you have done so far is express an opinion, with no data to back it up. If you can't add to the thread, why post? Oh, yeah, to deny. The site motto is "deny Ignorance", not deny testimony.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

All you have done so far is express an opinion, with no data to back it up.

You have data? Didn't you say it was "claims?"

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: hellobruce

The statement of a person that worked for years in the industry is evidence

Evidence of what?

Where did that person make the claim abortion clinics pushed sex ed?

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
All you have done so far is express an opinion, with no data to back it up.

Exactly what data do you have?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I will deny testimony without any data. There was no data. A woman quoted on a site opposed to abortion is not credible despite her past, and without numbers the burden of proof that sex education causes more abortions rests on the shoulders of the those claiming it does, and those that are dumb enough to take it as pure fact.

Sex education teaches that if you're not careful you might get pregnant. It teaches safety and there is a big emphasis on not getting pregnant.

'Why do you blindly believe a woman who fully admits to having run abortion clinics that were criminally negligible? Oh right, because now you agree with her.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Yeah, I've heard all kinds of things too.
Never seen the evidence to back the claims up though.

When my own teens tells me what she heard, that's evidence. When I talk to parents with kids in school discuss what their kids were taught, that's evidence. When kids bring home books, assigned to read, that are literally pornographic, that's evidence. When posters like this:

show up in Middle schools, that's evidence. When you have books like the one discussed here in schools - Parents Say Sex-Ed Book Goes Too Far, that's evidence. Curriculum like this - Mother Wins Battle to Stop Graphic Sex-Ed Classes at Middle School - is evidence. There is a ton of this stuff in the schools. A simple web search will show you a lot more than what I posted. This woman is simply stating that the programs are being pushed by Planned Parenthood and others in the abortion industry. What she says makes perfect sense, too, when you think about how much money these places rake in.

If you have a hard time believing the industry can be corrupt, do some reading on Kermit Gosnell. I will state, though, that['s some nasty reading. Those with weak stomachs might want to pass.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Personally, I appreciate the story. I don't agree with all it has to say, but then, you didn't write the copy or the title on it, either. I can see you used the title of the story and copy within the article (first thing I checked).

I'm for access to abortion for medical needs. I'm not for any level of it with the purpose of birth control.....and people who don't know the difference to have to ask, need life experience to learn, is my very simple and blunt statement in general terms on that.

The problem anymore does seems to be passion overruling any sense of rational thinking, then where discussion itself becomes a challenge. Then again, I suppose Abortion has brought out the worst in civil discussion across America for a good number of years now. The facts discussed by the lady here sure do nothing to suggest that's changed in any positive ways.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Nice to see some constructive input! Always expected from you, too.

Personally, I am pretty against it, though if all we saw was serious medical need or rape cases, I could deal. The numbers would be VERY low then.

The education aspects of it are something I have looked at for long years now. Watching sex ed become more and more graphic in a lot of schools (though thankfully not all, not yet!), and the increase in teen pregnancies and sexual behavior, the correlation has been pretty clear to me. Hearing this woman talk about a deliberate push really doesn't surprise me at all. The confessions of former abortion industry people are always of that nature.

The way people react is disturbing to me as well. You'd think rational people would want the facts on an issue, but when it comes to something like this, heated denial seems to be the typical reaction.

a reply to: Phage

Straw dog.

Entity A fosters B & C

B = abortion
C = sex ed . . . for kindergarteners no less . . . sigh.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
You'd think rational people would want the facts on an issue,

We do want facts, jut not the crap posted here that claims to be facts, when it is just propaganda!

a reply to: BO XIAN

I am not sure some here are as interested in facts as they claim! The evidence is all over, easy to find, for any actually looking.

a reply to: hellobruce

I have posted facts. Statements from someone who ran abortion clinics aren't "propaganda"; they are witness testimony. Check the other details I posted as well. Several examples of the sort of sex ed she discussed are linked.

What facts have you posted to refute her claims? None, you say?

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: hellobruce

I have posted facts. Statements from someone who ran abortion clinics

To be correct, someone who claimed to run a abortion clinic
.... and they never made the claim in the title of this thread...

What facts have you posted to refute her claims?

Hold on, you are the one making the claims, it is up to you to back those claims up - which you are unable to do!

originally posted by: andr3w68
If you were raped and conceived a child, would you honestly want to carry that child and give birth to it,

I'd punish the rapist and not kill the child for the sin of the father.
If I couldn't deal with having a child, I'd give him or her up for adoption.
The waiting list to adopt is a long one. Many people are waiting to welcome a child.