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Former Abortion Clinic Owner: We Pushed Sex Ed on Kids to Create a Market for Abortion

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posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 11:32 PM
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For those claiming there are no motives in sex ed, or from the abortion industry, check out this thread.

LGBTQ is forced on elementary students in schools without parents consent

No motives, right? Wrong!




posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 02:24 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Studies support it as well.
Which studies?


and most didn't.
You know this, how? Are "most" teens now having sex? At what age?


and seen the increase in teen pregnancy and other issues.
Teen pregnancy has been declining, you said so yourself and tried to assign it to abstinence. What other issues?


Teens need boundaries, and when boundaries are removed, they take advantage.
Teens do what they will do. Some will have sex. Eventually, nearly all will.


That's human nature.
Human nature is to have sex. People have sex. They always have and they always will. Teens are people.


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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 02:29 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

No motives, right? Wrong!

You're kidding, right?

Yes, there's a motive there. To teach kids that it is wrong to discriminate against those who are different, including those whose sexuality is different.
What does that have to do with pregnancy or abortion?

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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 05:42 AM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
For those claiming there are no motives in sex ed, or from the abortion industry, check out this thread.
LGBTQ is forced on elementary students in schools without parents consent
No motives, right? Wrong!




Clicked the link and read the first page ..... nowhere could I see anything

about *abortions - *low grade contraceptive use - or *pregnancies ??

What I did see was educational information on sexual orientation



# L Lesbian

# G Gay

# B Bi-sexual

# T Transgender/Transexual

# Q ? I'm sorry I need education there


So NO necessity to push low grade contraception, leading to

pregnancies, and forced abortions required for the above


And isn't that what your thread is about?



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 07:29 AM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: JuniorDisco

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

That is the key difference, of course. For me, unique DNA at even the earliest stages means a new human being, and thus abortion is murder. Simple science.


My nail clippings contain unique DNA. Should I be fishing them out of the bin? Have I just committed murder?


Now that argument is flat out stupid. Your nails are part of you, not a developing person. If that's the best you can do, give up already. That sort of foolish comment does nothing positive for your side. 'It does, however, show how ridiculous the pro-abortion side really is. Epic fail there.


I was only taking your argument to its logical conclusion. In my opinion its absurd to consider a cluster of 8 cells to be a human life, and most people agree with me.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

Safer? I am 100% certain most of Gosnell's patients would disagree.


They would be wrong. Once again you seem unable to separate clusters of incidents from a wide statistical picture. I don't think you're stupid, so I can only assume you do this wilfully.

To be clear, the fact that a plane crashes does not make air travel inherently unsafe. Rare instances of unsafe legal abortions do not make legal abortion more dangerous than illegal abortion.

If your answer to that is "well tell that to Gosnell's patients" then you are being obtuse.


And, no, it isn't important to protect someone committing murder. Your pro-abortion stance ignores that fact. Women killing their kids and demanding safer ways to do so stand on quicksand.


Considering you style yourself a Christian I find this unusually callous.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 08:05 AM
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Omg. Hardly believable and very reminiscent of the rights argument that scientists made up climate change to get funding. It's this simple, you have no right whatsoever to force your beliefs on others. If you don't believe in abortions then don't have one but stay out of other peoples business.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: Phage

Which studies?


Some are mentioned in the links I already included. If you read them, you'd know that already.


originally posted by: Phage
You know this, how? Are "most" teens now having sex? At what age?


Same way you could know; by reading up on the issue. Again, check the links. I am not posting them repeatedly for you. Wasted thread space. Read, and comment on some portion, preferably with quotes and links. /Then we can discuss your issues with what I already posted.


originally posted by: Phage
Teens do what they will do. Some will have sex. Eventually, nearly all will.


Some do, but claiming that "nearly all will" is ridiculous. According to whom>? Upon what study do you base that assumption? Be specific.


originally posted by: Phage
Human nature is to have sex. People have sex. They always have and they always will. Teens are people.


Sex isn't something everyone goes around wanting all the time. Teens aren't animals in a perpetual state of heat, you know. Stop treating them that way, and you get better results.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

No motives, right? Wrong!

You're kidding, right?

Yes, there's a motive there. To teach kids that it is wrong to discriminate against those who are different, including those whose sexuality is different.
What does that have to do with pregnancy or abortion?


No, the motive is to tell kids they have to agree with homosexuality, or they are "bullies", etc. They have to hear about it, and learn about it, before they are old enough to know or care about sex at all. People don't have "different sexuality". People come in male and female. Behavior doesn't make them something else. Never has, never will.

What a shock that you come and attack my comments here, too. The facts I post must really get to you.

If you missed the connection, try reading my whole post, instead of skimming for some little portion you could attack.

The image I had of you, painted by other members, is totally blown. "Voice of reason"? Ha!



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

The point is this is another case of "education" with an agenda. In this case, too, please note the quoted material on the OP of that thread, about the goals of those supporting that program. Both abortion and homosexual agendas are part of the Socialist Party that pushes this crap on schools. Bad motives in both cases, that have nothing at all to do with the education or well-being of the students.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: JuniorDisco
I was only taking your argument to its logical conclusion. In my opinion its absurd to consider a cluster of 8 cells to be a human life, and most people agree with me.


Many people don't. Many agree with me that this is a human life. If you are wrong, and I am right, what would your view then be regarding abortion?



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: JuniorDisco
They would be wrong. Once again you seem unable to separate clusters of incidents from a wide statistical picture. I don't think you're stupid, so I can only assume you do this wilfully.


I assume you are willfully ignoring all the times it has been unsafe. Statistically, it is a lot more than a few isolated clusters, and we can't even get data in a lot of cases. If it's all that safe, why the secrecy? Why the lack of oversight?


originally posted by: JuniorDisco
Considering you style yourself a Christian I find this unusually callous.


Callous? No; I simply don't think we should make killing people easier for anyone. I find it callous that anyone does.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes




Callous? No; I simply don't think we should make killing people easier for anyone. I find it callous that anyone does.


Fetuses aren't people. However, the women seeking to terminate or avoid an unwanted pregnancy are.

I find it callous that anyone would forget that!



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Some are mentioned in the links I already included. If you read them, you'd know that already.
I read them. The studies I mean. I don't care how the articles tried to twist them.



Some do, but claiming that "nearly all will" is ridiculous. According to whom>? Upon what study do you base that assumption? Be specific.

I meant that eventually nearly everyone has sex (nearly all, premaritally) but by the age of 20 most people have had sex.

Data from the 2002 survey indicate that by age 20, 77% of respondents had had sex, 75% had had premarital sex, and 12% had married

www.guttmacher.org...


Same way you could know; by reading up on the issue. Again, check the links.
I said I had, and I did.


Sex isn't something everyone goes around wanting all the time. Teens aren't animals in a perpetual state of heat, you know. Stop treating them that way, and you get better results.
I didn't say that, did I?

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posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes




What a shock that you come and attack my comments here, too. The facts I post must really get to you.
I have been addressing your posts in this thread for some time now.



posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: eletheia

The point is this is another case of "education" with an agenda. In this case, too, please note the quoted material on the OP of that thread, about the goals of those supporting that program. Both abortion and homosexual agendas are part of the Socialist Party that pushes this crap on schools. Bad motives in both cases, that have nothing at all to do with the education or well-being of the students.



Yes education does have an agenda .... Namely to EDUCATE

In spite of any 'good' intentions IF a teen was to have sex ...(it happens)
With education they are armed with the knowledge of how to have
safe sex and if perchance they get pregnant and are unable
to cope ... (it happens)
They will have the knowledge to use (sooner rather than later)

Homosexual agenda?? homosexuality exists .... deal with it!

Its less than a hundred years ago homosexuality was hidden and illegal, and many
boys/girls grew up unhappy and with the fear that there was something terribly
wrong with them
Education now is making them and others realise, there is nothing 'wrong' with
them .... they are who they are.
Early education means less people growing up unhappy and ignorant, and is
not going to turn anyone 'gay' or vice versa.

But the lack of education will make some very screwed up unhappy people...


SO ..... WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE WELL BEING OF A STUDENT



posted on Jun, 7 2014 @ 12:14 AM
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originally posted by: windword
Fetuses aren't people. However, the women seeking to terminate or avoid an unwanted pregnancy are.

I find it callous that anyone would forget that!


Of course they are people. Prove otherwise. You would be as incorrect if you stated that toddlers aren't people.

I find it callous that anyone would forget that!



posted on Jun, 7 2014 @ 12:19 AM
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a reply to: Phage

You read them, and you assume they "twist" things, but you don't assume that for any article that fits your personal opinion. Gee, why am I not surprised? Biased much?

Claiming bias with no real evidence is pointless. The article isn't about whether people eventually have sex, either. it's about sex ed being used to drum up abortion business. Focus matters.



posted on Jun, 7 2014 @ 12:22 AM
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a reply to: Phage

That comment was in another thread.



posted on Jun, 7 2014 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

Claiming bias with no real evidence is pointless. The article isn't about whether people eventually have sex, either. it's about sex ed being used to drum up abortion business.


But we know this is a lie. There has been less abortion since there has been more sex ed. That's a fact. Sex ed has increased in schools over the last 40 years. Abortion rates have been declining for the last 40 years. Fact. The other fact is that the goal of sex ed has ALWAYS been to avoid STDs, and unwanted pregnancies.



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