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St John 23 met Alien from landed saucer in Castel Gandolfo?

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posted on Jun, 4 2014 @ 02:41 AM
I feel deeply offended for getting hard hits mostly but not only of religious nature, as gratitude for bringing unique pieces of info that you guys didn't know in first place. Even if you don't agree with them, you should be kind of grateful I tell you they exist. No I am not paid or unpaid servant of the antichrist.

I talked of Draconians and Transformers, of M 51 etc, and some of you seemed to be interested. Then go and investigate it! Instead you shoot at me.

And you would have missed the last plane to escape it. Because You reject the help that is being given in many ways, including in the last place by my simple words here.

Go read Revelation 12 and go read my words about it.
Some of you guys will be "the rest of her offspring" and will have to fight the descending dragon even before the rise of the beast. That event didn't happen yet, no Draconians travel in planes or seen on the ground. You don't even bother to know what I am talking about. ET race called Draconians who will make the army of the dragon in Revelation 12. The witnesses say they are already in ships around the earth. Still there, not here. I learned to discern between who serves God and who serves devil. You did not want.

You call THAT reasoning "service of antichrist"? Then you are as far from the truth as possible. You just refuse to reason. The ones who reason about that, they are certainly not "paid or unpaid" servants of the antichrist. They want to save themselves and those who listen to them.

Hosea 4:6 "my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge"

I want to believe that End time event is scheduled for thousands of years in the future. I bring proof of any kind.

But you don't want to hear a word about such a possibility. You want Great Trib here and now.

While I don't know what the ultimate sovereign decision of God will be, it might happen you get what you want. You might get your antichrist to rule over you, even if he is not the last one in the list of antichrists on that planet.

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posted on Jun, 4 2014 @ 02:58 AM
a reply to: smokenmirrors

Thank you.

Going back to St John 23 and his alleged contacts. I suggest the utmost scrutiny of Vatican to investigate those alleged contacts. If they prove true, a non-demonization effort should be made to clear the image of good ET beings who come to earth to help.

The views of many Christians fall short of that understanding.

But many others, the greater part, would be satisfied with such explanation and proof given in proper way. The greater part are not fanatics. The greater part don't want the end times here and now. They just want to live their lives as God originally arranged it.

I don't know if we are in the End times. Perhaps nobody knows, not even the pope. But I will not line up behind the narrow and noisy crowd that cries out for that to happen ASAP.

I want to live my life, and if God provides help for that, by aliens as well as by humans, I will accept that help and will not reject God's grace that is far beyond my mind or understanding.

posted on Jun, 4 2014 @ 03:45 AM
I don't accept the accusations of fanatic ultra-conservative individuals that my ideas represent those of the "coming antichrist" or that I am "paid of unpaid servant" of him.

Even more: I think their ultra-fundamental narrow views are significant obstacle for the common faithful of any Christian denomination to impartially investigate the phenomena of ET, that is not demonic according to Catholic church scholars.

Denying them that, the fundamentals make it a forced solution into a dead end of antichrist end-time scenario. In other words, the faithful should either obey the fundamentals or be cursed forever in hell.

I ask: isn't it exactly what the antichrists of our time would like it most? A crusader fanatic faith that rejects facts and reason, versus a world that has lost its moral values, without middle ground for the normal people to live their life in the time and space God has given to them. Isn't it rejection of God's grace to given life in first place?

When the Biblical "antichrist" comes, I don't know. I already listed enough Biblical quotes as what to be expected as probabe EARTHLY location of the MAN (not alien). It would be good if end time doomers spend some of their precious time and READ what has been written here and there, and update their very skewed positions. They do not represent the larger church, although they pretend to be some "remnant church". God of love is not what they frame as arbitrary judgment on terms they themselves set forth. I would not like to compare them with the pharisees who rejected the son of God in the name of God and THEIR understanding of God. The pharisees were more erudite than those ultra-conservative christians of any denomination. They could spend some time to increase their knowledge and at least to debate in a civilized way with proper facts of 20-21st century and without the total blind demonization of past eras.
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posted on Jun, 4 2014 @ 04:06 AM
Besdies all that, I didn't hear any reasonable debate on my private views on the Bible (that I have properly studied, not just read), on ET (that I also properly studied in their difference) or others.

What I get in return to highly logical comments on proven or unproven facts, is nothing close to a debate on the topic. It is rather agendas which try to hurt one or another aspect of that, because of pre-accepted conditions. I.e. ET are evil because they are evil apriori, from the beginning, because they are Nephilim. Any proof? None!

Similar reaction got the well known idea that Jesus had a wife and descendants. The ideas like that found in apocrypha and NEWLY found ancient documents, are nothing new by themselves. We all know the popes made crusades in France to eradicate similar "heresies"

I am in expectation what modern science plus modern religion will say on that matter, and I will accept that as truth. Not the personal views of fanatics who send me in hell for simply listing views held for centuries, backed by new discoveries.

Whether those descendants of Jesus or at least one of them HYPOTHETICALLY were taken in clouds (or by UFO, Ezekiel1 wheels and Elijah's chariot), I don't know and can't be humanly certain of. I suppose that if Jesus and Our Lady were taken in clouds, if Elijah and Enoch were taken, if the resurrected prophets at the time of Crucifixion were obviously taken and not left on earth, it is possible for others to follow them too. It is theoretically possible for Jesus' descendants, IF there are such, to be taken too.

For that suggestion I was called whatever, including the paid shill of the antichrist. But where are the money, you guys? I don't see them. I don't see what else you provide as proof of your side, except of accusation upon accusation. May be your goal is to derail me morally, to catch me in a word said in less calm moment, and to prove how crazy, unbeliever, or uneducated I am. And to say nothing of those facts, logical considerations on them, and may be private ideas too that I have the right to express freely. Without being burnt for that. As your great grandfathers would love to do.

So who is the antichrists' servant then? I will not call you antichrists. I will call you less educate people who will want it the masses to go after you. And not to be saved by God's angels. Let say it in that way. Not to be given the grace God has appointed and provided for our uneasy times. It is not enough for you that you yourselves reject that grace, knowledge and upate of life. You want nobody else to have it. Or you curse them to hell. Good job! Paid or unpaid.

posted on Jun, 4 2014 @ 04:26 AM
Here I put it straightforward in this thread too:

Retired, Command Sergeant Major, Robert O. Dean, a man with credentials and top secret clearance, beyond many of what the posters here have, gives his testimony of:
L.A. cardinal McIntyre was present at the notorious meeting between president Eisenhower and ETs in Holloman AFB. After that, McIntyre flew immediately to Rome to report to pope Pius XII.

I don't have documents, I report the word of a credible person. If that word is true, it means Vatican has been involved even before the era of John 23 (that many hardline catholics don't like). What's wrong to get involved in such a landmark ET-human contact? Comment on that, please! And stop demonizing me for reporting that. Perhaps you hate it appeared online in first place. Perhaps you send to hell Bob Dean.

Those people, Dean and Clifford Stone, have seen Jesus' crucifixion in time-reversal looking technology of alien origin, called Looking glass (for more about the tech itself, read Dan Burisch). Those people believe in Jesus Christ and are not antichrist's servants. I believe what they say.

I don't believe you guys, who reject everything and everyone. And whose usual argument is satan, hell, antichrist, heresy and the like. What you preach is not God's love anyway.

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posted on Jun, 4 2014 @ 10:08 AM
a reply to: JesusChristwins

Most of the folks I read taking anything like this sort of stance . . . are New Agers who've fallen down THE RABBIT HOLE hook line and sinker.

This is a rare perspective in most respects.

It's quite a conglomeration of bits and pieces from the philosophical/religious nether world, imho.

I realize it purports to make sense . . . and may on the surface, to a degree . . .

Nevertheless, as The Lord declared . . . folks will be crushed under THE ROCK or broken on His Word.

posted on Jun, 5 2014 @ 04:57 AM

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: JesusChristwins

You are a very narrow mined fanatic of particular ultra-hardline church group.

I said it and i will repeat it.

When i say you have no idea about Christianism, i am saying very few. When i said you are probably a paid shill, i was wrong. Even paid shills cannot be so blind!

Please go and read Luke 21:5-21:38. Jesus said it especially for you.

I will give you the original text in case you are bored to read it on your own.

It says

ὁ δὲ εἶπε· Βλέπετε μὴ πλανηθῆτε· πολλοὶ γὰρ ἐλεύσονται ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματί μου λέγοντες ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι καί ὁ καιρὸς ἤγγικε. μὴ οὖν πορευθῆτε ὀπίσω αὐτῶν. 9 ὅταν δὲ ἀκούσητε πολέμους καὶ ἀκαταστασίας, μὴ πτοηθῆτε· δεῖ γὰρ ταῦτα γενέσθαι πρῶτον, ἀλλ' οὐκ εὐθέως τὸ τέλος. 10 τότε ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς· Ἐγερθήσεται ἔθνος ἐπὶ ἔθνος καὶ βασιλεία ἐπὶ βασιλείαν, 11 σεισμοί τε μεγάλοι κατὰ τόπους καὶ λιμοὶ καὶ λοιμοὶ ἔσονται, φόβητρά τε καὶ σημεῖα ἀπ' οὐρανοῦ μεγάλα ἔσται. 12 πρὸ δὲ τούτων πάντων ἐπιβαλοῦσιν ἐφ' ὑμᾶς τὰς χεῖρας αὐτῶν καὶ διώξουσι, παραδιδόντες εἰς συναγωγὰς καὶ φυλακάς, ἀγομένους ἐπὶ βασιλεῖς καὶ ἡγεμόνας ἕνεκεν τοῦ ὀνόματός μου· 13 ἀποβήσεται δὲ ὑμῖν εἰς μαρτύριον. 14 θέτε οὖν εἰς τὰς καρδίαις ὑμῶν μὴ προμελετᾶν ἀπολογηθῆναι· 15 ἐγὼ γὰρ δώσω ὑμῖν στόμα καὶ σοφίαν, ᾗ οὐ δυνήσονται ἀντειπεῖν οὐδὲ ἀντιστῆναι πάντες οἱ ἀντικείμενοι ὑμῖν. 16 παραδοθήσεσθε δὲ καὶ ὑπὸ γονέων καὶ συγγενῶν καὶ φίλων καὶ ἀδελφῶν, καὶ θανατώσουσιν ἐξ ὑμῶν, 17 καὶ ἔσεσθε μισούμενοι ὑπὸ πάντων διὰ τὸ ὄνομά μου· 18 καὶ θρὶξ ἐκ τῆς κεφαλῆς ὑμῶν οὐ μὴ ἀπόληται· 19 ἐν τῇ ὑπομονῇ ὑμῶν κτήσασθε τὰς ψυχὰς ὑμῶν. 20 ὅταν δὲ ἴδητε κυκλουμένην ὑπὸ στρατοπέδων τὴν Ἱερουσαλήμ, τότε γνῶτε ὅτι ἤγγικεν ἡ ἐρήμωσις αὐτῆς. 21 τότε οἱ ἐν τῇ Ἰουδαίᾳ φευγέτωσαν εἰς τὰ ὄρη, καὶ οἱ ἐν μέσῳ αὐτῆς ἐκχωρείτωσαν, καὶ οἱ ἐν ταῖς χώραις μὴ εἰσερχέσθωσαν εἰς αὐτήν, 22 ὅτι ἡμέραι ἐκδικήσεως αὗταί εἰσι τοῦ πληρωθῆναι πάντα τὰ γεγραμμένα. 23 οὐαὶ δὲ ταῖς ἐν γαστρὶ ἐχούσαις καὶ ταῖς θηλαζούσαις ἐν ἐκείναις ταῖς ἡμέραις· ἔσται γὰρ τότε ἀνάγκη μεγάλη ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς καὶ ὀργὴ τῷ λαῷ τούτῳ, 24 καὶ πεσοῦνται στόματι μαχαίρας, καὶ αἰχμαλωτισθήσονται εἰς πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, καὶ Ἱερουσαλὴμ ἔσται πατουμένη ὑπὸ ἐθνῶν ἄχρι οὗ πληρωθῶσι καιροὶ ἐθνῶν. 25 Καὶ ἔσται σημεῖα ἐν ἡλίῳ καὶ σελήνῃ καὶ ἄστροις, καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς συνοχὴ ἐθνῶν ἐν ἀπορίᾳ ἠχούσης θαλάσσης καὶ σάλου, 26 ἀποψυχόντων ἀνθρώπων ἀπὸ φόβου καὶ προσδοκίας τῶν ἐπερχομένων τῇ οἰκουμένῃ· αἱ γὰρ δυνάμεις τῶν οὐρανῶν σαλευθήσονται. 27 καὶ τότε ὄψονται τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἐρχόμενον ἐν νεφέλῃ μετὰ δυνάμεως καὶ δόξης πολλῆς. 28 ἀρχομένων δὲ τούτων γίνεσθαι ἀνακύψατε καὶ ἐπάρατε τὰς κεφαλὰς ὑμῶν, διότι ἐγγίζει ἡ ἀπολύτρωσις ὑμῶν. 29 Καὶ εἶπε παραβολὴν αὐτοῖς· Ἴδετε τὴν συκῆν καὶ πάντα τὰ δένδρα. 30 ὅταν προβάλωσιν ἤδη, βλέποντες ἀφ' ἑαυτῶν γινώσκετε ὅτι ἤδη ἐγγὺς τὸ θέρος ἐστίν· 31 οὕτω καὶ ὑμεῖς, ὅταν ἴδητε ταῦτα γινόμενα, γινώσκετε ὅτι ἐγγύς ἐστιν ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ Θεοῦ. 32 ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι οὐ μὴ παρέλθῃ ἡ γενεὰ αὕτη ἕως ἂν πάντα γένηται. 33 ὁ οὐρανὸς καὶ ἡ γῆ παρελεύσονται, οἱ δὲ λόγοι μου οὐ μὴ παρέλθωσι. 34 Προσέχετε δὲ ἑαυτοῖς μήποτε βαρηθῶσιν ὑμῶν αἱ καρδίαι ἐν κραιπάλῃ καὶ μέθῃ καὶ μερίμναις βιωτικαῖς, καὶ αἰφνίδιος ἐφ' ὑμᾶς ἐπιστῇ ἡ ἡμέρα ἐκείνη· 35 ὡς παγὶς γὰρ ἐπελεύσεται ἐπὶ πάντας τοὺς καθημένους ἐπὶ πρόσωπον πάσης τῆς γῆς. 36 ἀγρυπνεῖτε οὖν ἐν παντὶ καιρῷ δεόμενοι ἵνα καταξιωθῆτε ἐκφυγεῖν πάντα τὰ μέλλοντα γίνεσθαι καὶ σταθῆναι ἔμπροσθεν τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου. 37 Ἦν δὲ τὰς ἡμέρας ἐν τῷ ἱερῷ διδάσκων, τὰς δὲ νύκτας ἐξερχόμενος ηὐλίζετο εἰς τὸ ὄρος τὸ καλούμενον ἐλαιῶν· 38 καὶ πᾶς ὁ λαὸς ὤρθριζε πρὸς αὐτὸν ἐν τῷ ἱερῷ ἀκούειν αὐτοῦ.

This is the original text. Watch where it says "Βλέπετε μὴ πλανηθῆτε· πολλοὶ γὰρ ἐλεύσονται ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματί μου λέγοντες ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι καί ὁ καιρὸς ἤγγικε. μὴ οὖν πορευθῆτε ὀπίσω αὐτῶν."

This is for you!

In translation it says

"Watch out, don't get deceived. Many will come in My Name saying that "I am" and "The time has come". Do not follow them!"

These were Jesus words! Don't you see that he describes exactly what you are trying to sell here? Don't you see that HE says that people who will come and say that "i am Jesus" or "we are Jesus descendants", as you say, will be against the good of people? Don't you see that those people will be with the antichrist?

JESUS SAID IT! Not me! And it is into the New Testament! Which proves that you have no idea of the New Testament, cause if you had read it, you would have known that your ideas are satanic ideas, are against what Jesus said!

I say exactly what the Holy Texts say and what the Orthodox Church say. I also use proofs, Jesus' proofs!!! Now, based on you, the Orthodox Church is fanatic and ultra-hardline church group. WTF am i reading on your posts!!!!!

No more comments sir. When your IQ rises to 30, sell!

posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 01:53 AM
I don't understand why, the poster called proudly "JesusChristwins" and having Russian imperial insignia on the profile ( double headed eagle and three crowns), keeps constantly accusing me of being non Christian, in various forms. Now he/she posts a Gospel in Greek hoping I and no one else understands it, or checking whether I am Greek or not, and parading his/her big knowledge. At the same time, he/she puts my IQ level below 30. Well, I would say that poster have issues with all that by himself/herself. Or he/she is a paid user by someone who wants me to be stopped from posting for any reason.

I already said I would need personal rest for sometime anyway.

I didn't hear much talk on the topic anyway. The topic is John 23 contact with ET and in general the Church contact with ET not only in 20th vbut in past/future centuries and the consequences of that

I know the Gospel. Jesus said in John 16:
12 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14"He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.…

It is clearly said more things will be revealed in time. Now is the novena before Pentecost, so let me post a prayer to the Holy Spirit to outpour His 7 gifts upon mankind. You may try the prayer that is powerful, even if you don't declare yourselves as members of particular narrow church denomination.

Veni Creator Spiritus

Come, O Creator Spirit blest! And in our souls take up Thy rest; Come with Thy grace and heavenly aid, To fill the hearts which Thou hast made. Great Paraclete! To Thee we cry, O highest gift of God most high! O font of life! O fire of love! And sweet anointing from above.

Thou in Thy sevenfold gifts art known, The finger of God's hand we own; The promise of the Father, Thou! Who dost the tongue with power endow.

Kindle our senses from above, And make our hearts overflow with love; With patience firm and virtue high The weakness of our flesh supply.

Far from us drive the foe we dread, And grant us Thy true peace instead; So shall we not, with Thee for guide, Turn from the path of life aside.

Oh, may Thy grace on us bestow The Father and the Son to know, And Thee, through endless times confessed, Of both, the eternal Spirit blest.

All glory while the ages run Be to the Father and the Son Who rose from death; the same to Thee, O Holy Ghost, eternally. Amen.

posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 01:59 AM
a reply to: BO XIAN

since you yourself had entered the rabbit hole long time ago, and recently updated your info thanks to my posted videos of Brothers Pickering (a must for everyone who wants to have slightest discernment on ET very DIFFERENT races and agenas, such as Draconians and silicon shapeshifters), I guess you have enough data and info as well as logical capabilities to go beyond the level you feel secure and satisfied at the moment. Pls go and discern those ET and do not demonize everyone! Some may be the first baptized ones who will bring the Gospel further. Others may have already been visited by Jesus resurrected, as He appeared to earth too. Demonization of all is the worst approach possibe . It makes us hostages to this planet and practically we can only wait for the death as delivery. I doubt the younger generation would accept that as alternative.

posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 05:48 AM

originally posted by: 2012newstart
I don't understand why, the poster called proudly "JesusChristwins" and having Russian imperial insignia on the profile ( double headed eagle and three crowns), keeps constantly accusing me of being non Christian, in various forms.

This is the Byzantine Empire's flag. The Russians took it from them. Read history.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
Now he/she posts a Gospel in Greek hoping I and no one else understands it, or checking whether I am Greek or not, and parading his/her big knowledge. At the same time, he/she puts my IQ level below 30. Well, I would say that poster have issues with all that by himself/herself. Or he/she is a paid user by someone who wants me to be stopped from posting for any reason.

Secondly, Ancient Greek was the language in which the New Testament was written by the Apostles. I believe that as a "Christian" you would know that. But you did not know that either!

Many translations i have seen in English, add words which Jesus never said! In most of the cases, the translations are not 100% accurate. So that in order to make myself 100% accurate, i post the original text. Get it?

originally posted by: 2012newstart
I know the Gospel. Jesus said in John 16:
12 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14"He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.…

At that point, Jesus was talking about the future, about the things which are about to happen in humanity with His Second Coming and about the life after death. Even a kid can understand that. Read it again and ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand it, cause you obviously have not.


posted on Jun, 6 2014 @ 06:19 AM
a reply to: 2012newstart

I don't recall updating my info or profile very recently. Maybe I've forgotten.

I doubt I'll alter my perspective on the fallen angels.

I can't imagine your construction on Biblical realities having much utility in the coming months and years.

The Lord Jesus is well able to and has dedicated, promised to finish what He has started with me.

The King of Kings and Lord of Lords is returning as CONQUERING KING.

He IS in charge and will be demonstrably so more overtly on this planet than ever.

Regardless of the blood and gore between now and then, that is wonderful to look forward to.

posted on Jun, 7 2014 @ 11:38 AM
"JesusChristwins", I insist that not your interpretation of the Gospel is the correct one, but mine.

Thank you for the Bible lesson and History lesson!

This thread's title was: "St John 23 met Alien from landed saucer in Castel Gandolfo?"

Here I continue for Bo Xian.

I gave quite much supportive material, that wasn't properly commented by anyone. Too much, from too different sources. Popes, insiders military, scientists. Too many to be all wrong. "Great deception".

Well, at this point we don't have the massive mandatory mark of the beast, do we? Whether it is the chip, something not that proven. We don't have the draconian landing. We don't have the beast itself, although people see it in empires repeatedly since the time of the Roman empire, going thru Caliphate and other historic structures. All those estimations failed and continue to fail as we speak.

I also want to greet Jesus in the air tomorrow or after 3 years. But what if He doesn't come? Who can say when He comes, if even He doesn't know? How then we can determine the arrival of the LAST antichrist, when by definition he should come 7 or 3.5y before the Second Coming, and I underline the word LAST antichrist? We may have centuries if not millenia, and other events never spoken of by the prophets. As they didn't speak of 2000 (almost) history of the so called Christendom.

Let go back to the topic of the thread. In another interview, Robert Dean speaks of his personal experience onboard alien spaceship and even visit a peaceful planet with natural environment and nice little houses. He was shown a Library. He picked up the time of Alexander the Great, and they showed him in 3D real scenes of the battle with the Persians, to the extend he could smell the sweat and the dust of people and horses. May be he lies, may be he is too old. Or may be he is just too much right.

And we encounter reality that we don't know about. Your fingers run thru that reality as you speak. Because it is not humanly possible to have the computer micro and now nano chips in the historical timeframe of half century, given the rate of development before that. Unless it has been granted by highly advanced civilization. Not demons without bodies and tech. Were they evil, those who provided the tech to us? I don't know, it is a big debate that is ongoing in ET research community. I could advice everyone to listen as much as he possibly could, every free hour. The interview Greer- Kerry-Bill Camelot is another must watch.

If someone after all calls me anti-Christian, I will call him - BS poster paid by someone else to personally hurt the posters who want to make the difference. Not to agree with fanaticism is not equal to being non-Chrstian. In Any and EVERY church. Don't contradict churches one to another. They all have to accept the wider picture.

Bob Dean and Clifrord Stone, and a number of others are all Christians, some Catholics. The Pope is Christian too, and he recently spoke of baptizing aliens. Will he be denomized by hardliner catholics and non-catholics for that?

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posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 06:53 AM
2 Esdras Chapter 14

44 In forty days they wrote two hundred and four books.

45 And it came to pass, when the forty days were filled, that the Highest spake, saying, The first that thou hast written publish openly, that the worthy and unworthy may read it:

46 But keep the seventy last, that thou mayest deliver them only to such as be wise among the people:

47 For in them is the spring of understanding, the fountain of wisdom, and the stream of knowledge.

48 And I did so.

posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 06:57 AM
The beast Eagle with 3 heads and 12 big + 8 small feathers

vision 2 Esdras Chapter 11

1 Then saw I a dream, and, behold, there came up from the sea an eagle, which had twelve feathered wings, and three heads.

Interpretation Ch 12

9 For thou hast judged me worthy to shew me the last times.

10 And he said unto me, This is the interpretation of the vision:

11 The eagle, whom thou sawest come up from the sea, is the kingdom which was seen in the vision of thy brother Daniel.

The coming of the messiah Ch 13

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posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 07:38 AM
Our Lady said the Fatima final secret should be announced in 1960. There are already 54 years delay.

Today we know St. John XXIII met aliens, and was himself a seer of Our Lady.

I wonder, how much longer that absurd status quo will be maintained artificially? Who benefits from it?

posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 08:21 AM
a reply to: 2012newstart

As has been documented on other ATS threads,

the 'Mary' of the Fatima 'visitations'

was merely a fallen angel/ET UFO critter playing the expected role of the RCC priestly blather and citizens expectations out of their familiar meme's.

It was another component of the GREAT DECEPTION of the END TIMES.

posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 12:34 PM
a reply to: BO XIAN

I didn't read the other threads, but I am afraid nothing can be documented in that way. Otherwise, all the proof I poured out in my threads would document my points of view. It seems it works very little for people who hold their views, like yourself.

If you are so certain of Fatima connection to the ET, one may look at it from the other side. That Mary brought in angelic ETs to accompany Her mission on earth and that is the core "secret" still held secret.

You are afraid from both apparitions and ET. I understand that. I don't understand why the catholics who accept the first are afraid of the second.

posted on Jun, 22 2014 @ 03:18 AM
For those of you (incl. Bo) who think:

1. ET are only evil therefore no need to discern
2. ET are only good therefore no nee d to concentrate on the evil agendas
3. ET are non existent or won't come in foreseeable future
4. All that is a fable of modern times to exchange the Gospel's End Time into a Great Deception

Let me tell you the extra-terrestrial intelligent life is pretty real. It is not a fable or dream of St John 23. It is phenomenon witnessed by thousands of people whose credibility is much higher than mine and yours.

Paul Hellyer talks of 80 races already being present on Earth. it is not only Pleiadians, Grey and Reptilians, that are "all evil ones" according to protestant preachers. This simplicity is dangerous. It is lack of understanding the fact there are millions of worlds and we have been visited by hundreds of them. And that God used ET called angels throughout the history, and will use them again in the important events to come. It is to negate Ezekiel 1 Wheels and Elijah's chariot of fire. It is to make useless Bethlehem moving star and the angels on the tomb of Jesus.

Here is an interview that slipped besides others more popular. It speaks of T-rex intelligent reptilian race that travels in ships and stays near earth to "help us". They lost their planet and want to walk the earth. That is what brothers Pickering say in their role of withnesses and insiders. Do not believe me, I am not a witness.
What if those draconians and their companions and masters a silicon shapeshifter race are the bad ones, although they say they are good and do not eat people? And if those are the bad ones, who are the good ones then? Because the nature is not only bad. We desperately need to know the full truth of the Pleiadians, other Human ET, Galactic Federation, Orion empire, BEFORE we encounter ships coming from the dreadful Draconian empire. OK this last comes from unproven sources. You have the right to doubt, as I do. But when you have Gordon Duff editor of Veterans today speaking of extremely hostile sentient oil on the bottom of the ocean being activated by another race from space, you start thinking different. You almost believe his words that China and USA collaborate on the matter...You and I just don't know. We need MORE not LESS INFO. We don't need loudspeakers of denial, we need MORE FACTS to analyze them as good as we can.

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posted on Jun, 22 2014 @ 07:22 AM
Will you stop necro this thread?

You have done multiple posts by yourself w/o anyone replying to them. Since you see no one accepts your bovine excrement, why do you continue to disrespect, attack and humiliate Christianism???

posted on Jun, 22 2014 @ 10:23 AM
a reply to: JesusChristwins

I'd rather kindly ask you to stop pouring dirty water onto my excellent threads. You are nowhere near to the knowledge of facts and supportive material That I constantly quote, neither to the reason I discuss it.

There are 23 flags and that means at least 23 people who have read here and ARE members of the forum, have enjoyed what I wrote, at least partially. There might be 230 people who are not members of the forum and who still read and search it by google.

You are not my judge. Please examine your own posts and threads with your own scale of Christianity. It is your own private scale that is very narrow minded. No, it is not the "Orthodox". It is your private.

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