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Russia Dumped 26 Billion in US Treasury Bonds

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posted on May, 21 2014 @ 09:47 PM
meta data algorithm's,,otherwise known as flags or gateways,,
good idea,, if u wanted to be first in line,, which is really important, for the big guys.

a reply to: roadgravel

posted on May, 21 2014 @ 10:03 PM
a reply to: 13th Zodiac

Trading on world financial markets these days is comprised largely of HFT Algorithms, trading with other HFT algorithms.
These are essentially pieces of software which trade assets in nanoseconds and many are built in such a way that they will always make a profit. These algorithms are designed to trade only on the basis of short term price level movements in the pricing of the selected assets rather than on the real value of the asset, hence they are excellent mechanisms to make guaranteed financial profits, but useless for long term value-based investment.

This is one reason global markets went .................. in 2007/8.

Trading is largely done by HFT algorithms made and programmed by mathematicians, physicists and engineers, not people who generally have a background in notoriously unpredictable social sciences or mass psychology, the things which govern real-world (economic) market behavior. This leads to a disconnect between the people who know how the software works, and the people who asked them to build it, leading to many possibly disastrous oversights.

Trading floors are a thing of the past, huge servers are the way trading is done now.

posted on May, 21 2014 @ 10:07 PM
a reply to: rusblued9217

so basically ur saying "And that no man might buy or sell, (stock market)
save he that had the mark, (signature)
or the name of the beast, (Government Authorization)
or the number of his name.
( u figure it out


posted on May, 21 2014 @ 10:14 PM
a reply to: American-philosopher

Either that, or zerohedge isn't as credible as we think.

I seen a BBC article on the happenings though.

Then again, what ISN'T controlled and monitored now a days?

A finger for conspiracy indeed.

posted on May, 21 2014 @ 10:24 PM
a reply to: BobAthome

I'm saying that a large proportion of financial asset trading in the 21st century is executed by algorithms designed by scientists who are used to modeling the scientific world, not the notoriously unpredictable and non-rational patterns of agents operating in a financial system.

This is a disaster waiting to happen, all it takes is one bug in the wrong place in the code.

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 12:18 AM
a reply to: 13th Zodiac

I'm assuming there was no market reaction because 26 billion is a drop in the bucket of the over 17 trillion debt. Russia is not a major player as a debt purchaser, and the world wouldn't ever be willing to trust a Russian or a Chinese backed currency to rival the dollar as a reserve currency.

It seems like common sense when the math translates out to a dump of bonds that doesn't even equal the added debt from a single month in the US calendar year.

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 12:45 AM
a reply to: Stuship

so a bit over a weeks worth of quantitative easing woopdie doo
somehow i doubt the federal reserve is going to run out of funny money anytime soon

it looks like russia is simply trying to reduce their risk by investing in a more stable commodity

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 12:53 AM
a reply to: sirhumperdink

No they are playing politics and it is purely a symbolic move to gold. Gold isn't anymore stable than anything else. If everything goes to # you honestly believe gold is going to matter. You really think if the worlds economy collapses gold's value won't tank with it? Nothing will matter at that point other than your ability to stay alive while the raving lunatics try to burn down everything around us.

However, they can do what they want. Russia is 10x weaker than the US since we can contract their entire economy by 6% just by adjust the price of oil. It worked in the past and it will work again. China's entire economy is a big freaking fake bubble that wont explode anytime soon purely because they cook the books. China is the largest Enron in the world. The Chinese deal is mean't to help protect them from a Europe that is moving away from their gas supplies, and Europe is moving quickly.

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 01:14 AM
a reply to: Stuship

make believe money maybe

gold is a real and tangible thing

gold will continue to increase in value but not for the reason most people believe
gold is a very good conductor and is used increasingly frequently in electronics

not sure why you think an economic collapse would throw us back to the stone age ......its make believe
all the real things that made life possible are still there
as long as we dont allow people to do crazy ass things like lay claim to vast tracts of land based on the amount of imaginary credits they used to hold or were owed things would be fine
edit on 22-5-2014 by sirhumperdink because: (no reason given)

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 01:15 AM
a reply to: 13th Zodiac
A good thread 13th. And thank you for the heads-up.
The Fed has been watering us down for quite some time and
even with the QE3 cut in half lately, the monthly number
for pure inflation's sake is still twice this every month.

On the other hand, and symbolically this emphasizes exactly
how the major markets / players are in the same cracker
barrel as the Fed... who will print Monopoly cuties until
the cows' bleached ribs stick up far enough in the meadow
to remind little Johnny that one is never making it home.

Somewhere between fear and denial, I can see that big grey
area that nobody really addresses because it would pull the
fog away from the abyss we see on many sides-- denial, again.

My ears perked up when Andrew McGuire and his wife were
almost run over right after dinner one night. Google him, Eric
King did a great scoop interview with him.
Add to that lately the real leveraging of gold, metal versus
paper by now at or even worse than 400 to one? BABY

The Herd is on auto steer. If it makes any difference I ducked
out in 2005 with a big hit to my 401K, because I needed to
pay my back rent. I know-- what ridiculous frivolity. Peace, derf

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 02:44 AM
link Interesting Soro's dumping all bank stocks.

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 04:36 AM
good news more Russia banned GMO and found gold and goldfish 02:53 in Antarctica
edit on 22/5/14 by mangust69 because: 02:53

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 04:41 AM

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac
Then there is this mysterious US Treasury Bond consumption by Belgium.Billions of Dollars worth are either being bought, laundered or pushed on/in/through the Nation.This is nearly the Nation's full Annual GDP. There does appear to be some form of market manipulation at present.

One name: Euroclear
Two words: fiscal paradise
One country: Russia

I let you figure out the equation

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 10:20 AM
The pieces are moving. Russia and china made the agreement. MSM IS NOT TALKING. No major dip in Dow? The dip will not come until TPTB have all their pieces in place. The stock market is totally manipulated to serve TPTB . Americans are so bloated and delusional, we think we have a god given right to the luxuries we ALL enjoy daily. History repeats itself, over, and over. Well gee.....I'm pretty dumb...whats gonna happen?

Can anyone say Weimar Republic? This is the future of the United States of America

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 10:22 AM

KABUL, May 22 (Reuters) - Chinese banks have halted dollar transactions with most Afghan commercial banks, the central bank governor said on Thursday, making it difficult for businesses to pay for imports with one of the Afghanistan's biggest trading partners

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 10:38 AM
"Somewhere between fear and denial, I can see that big grey
area that nobody really addresses because it would pull the
fog away from the abyss we see on many sides-- denial, again. "


posted on May, 22 2014 @ 10:56 AM
See, this is why ATS is occasionally useful - I genuinely assumed that we were just "getting lucky". I, like many others, fully expected at least a detectable dive. Not outright collapse, naturally, but a pretty good market "chug".

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 11:09 AM
It has been said before in this thread and I guess needs saying again.

Russia sold 26B in US bonds. Someone else BOUGHT 26B in US bonds. Why would this cause a drop in the market?

If anything the fact that Russia had no trouble "dumping" 26B worth of US bonds is a pretty good argument that the market for them is fairly healthy. Thus should be just a shrug.

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 11:17 AM
1. 26 billion isn't much.

2. More importantly, SOMEONE BOUGHT!

It is quite stunning to me that people only see one side of the equation. When a neighbor sells their house the neighborhood stays stable. The problem with neighborhoods is when a person looks to sell their house and cannot.

Folks see, x selling all his y stock, or Russia selling x, and they fail, as if they are blind, to see that someone is buying. The day to worry is when no one shows up to buy.

posted on May, 22 2014 @ 11:24 AM

originally posted by: MrSpad
I am not sure what you expect? Russia sold some US bonds. Somebody else bought them. Russia and China sign a symbolic agreement that means nothing in practical reality. Russias oil export buisiness will continue to use dollars because they have no other replacement. The markets care about the reality not some sensational headlines.

Russia already has a replacement. They needed a buyer and an agreement, and that's in place now.
Changing currencies is not a big deal. It only depends on the size of the project, which takes massive negotiations.
After that, they'll ride the gravy train.

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