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Rape and Mens Passive Acceptence

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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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Rape is rape, and the rapist should be surgically castrated then put in prison for 20 years.

And I'd be willing to bet that most rapists weren't on Viagra. I could be wrong but I doubt it. I know of people going after the rapists who raped their sister and daughter and it wasn't pretty. Rape should never be played down, and if there's undeniable evidence that someone committed rape, then no lawyer should be allowed to try and get them out of it.




posted on May, 22 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: InSolace

If the conversation progresses it's because people ignore the ridiculous assumption of the OP and address possible fixes. Not blame those who say "if it was my daughter I would". Those people are obviously on the side of the victim... Not part of the problem.


IMHO it has a lot to do with resources put into combating it. We dump over a trillion dollars a year into the war on drugs and that's more then we spend on all of the violent crimes combined. Imagine a world where all the narc cops are putting there time and expertise into the violent crimes. You get what you pay for. So we shouldn't be surprised when we spend so little on rape prevention and punishment and have such a low conviction rate.



The real problem is how do you know who is lying when someone is accused. Women may act as if it's unthinkable to falsely accuse someone but it happens everyday. As well as actual rapes happen everyday. If someone is falsely accused there life is ruined. If they did it there life should be ruined. But men and women are equally manipulative so how do we know who's lying?


Plus being accused is the same as being guilty in the court of public opinion. So that has to be addressed too. IMHO this is just as dangerous then the actual rape. Women arnt stupid. They know yelling rape is a get out of jail free card for almost anything and some use it.


Then there's all the things that are considered rape. If she's drunk and willing that night with beer goggles on. Then regrets and barely remembers it the next morning. It's rape.

If your 18 and she's 16. It's statutory rape.


I think the way people have expanded the definition of rape is dangerous as well. Now If she feels pressured but doesn't say no... It's still rape. If she changes her mind mid intercourse and you stroke one more time... It's rape.



By trying to put these things into the same catagory as forced rape. People have lessened the effect of what rape means.


I think some one who was attacked and brutally raped would agree that there's a massive difference between that and someone who felt pressured by there boyfriend but didn't say no.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: onehuman

Once we begin treated rape as a NON gender specific issue, then perhaps things would be better for everybody.

Maybe if we stopped teaching women to be AFRAID of men, because were all just a bunch of rapists if were given the chance, maybe things would be better.

Perhaps if men's culture wasn't demonized while women's culture is celebrated, things would be a lot better for everybody.

You touch on a subject that has MANY factors, that are all VERY complex to deal with. It's not just as easy as you make it sound.

Women are part of the solution as much as men are.

I speak strictly of 1st world nations however, things in the 3rd world are obviously entirely different.

~Tenth



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: onehuman

I disagree if you hadn't posted your ridiculous OP. Then the thread would have started off addressing the issue of rape. Not blasting your crazy logic.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: mclarenmp4

The sheer sensationalism with which lawyers conduct their trials is abhorrent to say the least. I would be happy if there was some kind of fail-safe where lawyers could be kept more stringently in their defenses as attorney/defendant, responsible for their rhetorics. There must be a consensus. Even though the accused hasn't been convicted yet does not mean that the innocence of the defence should be put into question. What lawyers do in those cases is ragemongering 101. Both parties attack each other and deepen the trauma in every aspect.

An accused could be found innocent, but the orations of the defendant will last much longer in the minds of the accused and his/her community. The defense could very well have no basis, based on a lie, but that doesn't mean that the victim shouldn't have equal respect in the neutral zone that is the trial. In all of these cases, guilty or not guilty, the manner in which some trials conduct this transitory process ends up destroying the social fabric of both parties. It's simply a unviable lose-lose situation from my standpoint. Accuse if you are found guilty and not unless you are found not guilty.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

I gotta agree. I think the reason it's not reported when it should be is because of the sexual taboo that still exists in our "Puritan" society. If people want to be sexually active with multiple partners. Then that's there concern and people shouldn't be considered damaged goods after say a 3 some.


Maybe I'm wrong. But I assume the damaged goods mentality is the reason most women don't come forward. Which I think women play into far more then men do. Women are the first to label a sexually active chic a whore.

The only thing that should be taboo about sex is when you break an oath to be monogamous.


Honestly I think it's women who hold tightest on to that stereotype. Y'all consider it a badge of honor to have less partners. Not just a personal choice.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: onehuman

You touch on a subject that has MANY factors, that are all VERY complex to deal with. It's not just as easy as you make it sound.

~Tenth


Then please educate us. Give us your arguments and suggestions, Tenth. We have started a discussion which you can take part in as well.
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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: InSolace

I begins quite simply with having women admit and acknowledge that Misandry is an actual thing these days and needs to be addressed in our culture.

There are no good role models for men anymore. There are no institutions for 'men's rights' that have any kind of political power to help with things like the twisted pro women judicial system (custody and divorce in particular), men's sexual assault etc.

This photo sums it up quite nicely:



A bit hyperbolic but it gets the point across.

2nd of all, we need to remove these myths that are quite popular that women in the US or Canada or any other properly formed 1st world nation are at some massive disadvantage because they are in fact women.

There are more women graduating with university degrees than men.

There are more women in government positions then men. ( by this I mean people who work directly in politics, writing legislation etc, because we all know the guys we elect don't do that stuff themselves.)

Soon there will be more women in power in middle to high management in corporations.

We need to start teaching men and women that we are equally important.

Stop teaching women to be afraid of men.

Stop teaching men that women have some kind of power over them simply because they are women.

There are so many more things we need to start looking into before the issue can be fixed entirely. There will always be those who treat the other gender like they are the better one. That's never going to change.

Much like racism however, if we wish to stop having misogyny and misandry, we need to realize it's happening and stop participating in it.

~Tenth



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Talk about curveball, haha. Yes I agree that we should facilitate equality and lead it towards a new plateu where further social change can be planned and discussed. That equality is taught not only as a political movement, but as part of a greater perspective we all share in. You have brought up prejudices between genders and this leads me back to upbringing; these prejudices start out there and are difficult to tackle as mother and father feel entitled to their opinions even if it makes them sound like assholes. Gender roles and the segregation between genders play a large part in forming our present social interaction within society.

I'm going to have a bite and perhaps a brewskie, so I'll see you for now.
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posted on May, 22 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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Let me first give you all the usual male rhetoric, which for me is true. I hate this crime with a vengeance Though personal experiences. BUT> BUT> BUT I will be the devils advocate for everyone on this thread.
In the 60s and 70s there was a well known naturalist on British television, a guy named Desmond Morris. Now he wrote a book called The Naked Ape. Very controversial. It killed his reputation stone dead. What the book was about was that we are only a short step from being animal. Now here's the bit women don not and will not recognise. The biggest lie that women are ever told "when you dress up it's for yourself". From the fashion houses to the cosmetic industries, push and push, make yourself beautiful you'll look better and feel better. Every time any woman"dresses up" she will lie to herself that it's for herself. When in reality it's for other people and when males are involved (like in the animal world) it's to attract their attention, no matter what the marital status of the women is. You do not believe this? Every woman when coming into ovulation gives out hormones that attract male attention. FACT. Every male that's in her vicinity picks up this signal. FACT. This is done automatically the man and the woman have no control over it. Now how any human man acts on those signals is what really differentiates us from animals. But any weak willed man in the area could take other actions. Hundreds of times I have seen women at social occasions try to attract the good looking guy at the other side of the room. For what ends who can tell. But in between him and her (in her eyeline not noticed by her because she's concentrating trying to attract the good guy) may be a couple of nutters who genuinely think she is giving them the come on signals. The good guy is with some one else so the woman leaves alone. That scenario there could account for the vast majority of rapes. Do not believe the female rhetoric (i didn't asked to be raped) think of who is getting your signals when you are dressed up to the nines to attract that certain man, others may be picking up and misconstruing your intentions. We are all one step from animal behaviour, men and women and don't be conceited to think that just because we are human it alters that fact. There are loads more instancies where I could show men and women can be at fault. But ATS will not give me the volume of area to post them. Just say it could be as simple as animalistic behaviour but it's way, way more complicated than that because humans are unique complex creatures with different feeling and actions.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

Except your completely ignoring the fact were civilized now and don't endorse cave man behavior. Nor do we excuse it. If me and you argue over a parking spot and my pheromone / body cue signals put off that I want to fight doesn't give you the right to kill me. Even tho that my be the correct evolutionary territorialistic response.i didn't ask to be killed and she didn't asked to be raped. She asked to draw the attention of other males..... But that does not insinuate she wants you to throw her down and take it. That's just ridiculous.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

She did not ask to be raped, clothing and gestures should not be perceived as a clear signal for intercourse. The blame rests on the assailants in the first place and not the victim. There are also few indicatiors that we are controlled by pheromones. I believe our language has made that a vestigal part. Civilized people communicate, your hypothetical nutters do not. Civilized people respect people, your nutters do not; that's where the focus should be.
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posted on May, 23 2014 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: InSolace

Although, what I believe crayzeed is picking up on is sexual frustration which can lead to rape. Social alienation or antisocial disorders can lead to this and again cause unnecessary violence and deep pain. As with alot of grief you project your pain onto a victim. As Tenth also alluded to: barbarism is complex; even when the manner in which you act upon it is terribly basic.

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posted on May, 23 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: InSolace

Insolace, you might consider starting a new thread on possible ways to prevent rape ,ways not to distance victims from society and ways to validate rape claims so we can get me devil on offenders without the fear were brutalizing innocents. This is a conversation worth having. But doomed to fail the way it was outlined here.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: Char-Lee

The problem is,that castration only makes us feel better.It does not stop child molesters or rapists one bit.Even the FBI has said that castration will NOT work on repeat offenders. The only real solution for this is to either isolate them on an island with no hope of returning,or kill them outright.Make it a capital crime and punishable by death.Then you have totally removed that threat from that one person.


Was not referring to the removal of testicle but the whole "junk" department make other realize what will happen if they do the crime. But your way would probably be more realistic.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Women are well on their way to being as bad as any male when it comes to sexual misbehavior, and since there are no people left to look up to and teach the young population I think the next generation of both male and female will be beyond anything we can imagine.
I find it all so sad, most everyone's lives seems to be focused around looks, objects to collect and sex.


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posted on May, 23 2014 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: ArtemisE

I understand. At least I tried, but I seem to be in a thread not fit for my reservations. It is well right to answer brutality with brutality; I merely aimed to find another way as brutality doesn't seem to be working. I see it as brutal, but I recognize that you see it as necessary. I accept it as I have accepted this paradigm all my life.

May your discussion bear fruit and seed new ideas, ArtemisE.


I was merely expressing a different line of thought. Take it as you will. In either case both parties will feel pain. I don't want the victim to feel pain. A close friend, even a lover expressed regret that her rapist had been killed.

Not only men are 'sensitive', and not only men realize that this question isn't merely black and white.

I really hope you find answers, whether they resemble yours or mine. This discussion of mitilation or alienation has gone on for eons; so, what do I know.

Edit: On second thought, did I jump to conclusions? I might not have understood what you mean.


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posted on May, 23 2014 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: ArtemisE

Now you are burying your head. As I said we only think we are civilized. Ok many people are but a vast majority are not. There are numerous examples in every day life which the majority of people choose to ignore. All violent crimes, road rages, trolley rages, bullying in fact any situation where one person wants to challenge or control another person. These are all animal characteristics. As i said before do not be fooled into thinking that just being human everyone is so civilized.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: InSolace

Ah. Just waiting for the "she didn't ask for it, when she dresses up it's no prelude to intercourse". I said for a start I would be the devils advocate. Answer me this question. When women are at home and alone(through their own admission they "slob about") so when a woman gets ready to go out to a social occasion does she do her make up and put on her fine dresses? As I said before you think it's that simple that every man is civilized and chivalrous. If you think that then women will never come to grips about why they are raped. Some men (not all) are always looking for opportunities and when you look beautiful you look beautiful to everybody the civilized man and the nut job. Do not underestimate the signals you are putting out. Sexual frustration or socially alienated men are but a small part. The greater part is what's already been said. Overall it's about power one human has over another and that includes the violent rapes or non-violent rapes. By violent I mean physical injury. Physical injury is very traumatic (I couldn't think of anything more emotional revulsive to convey my feelings about that statement) but the most pernicious is the mental trauma. Physical scars heal, mental scars are a lifetime sentence. Rape happens. It will always happen because there will always be a man who will use violence to get what he wants. Do not be vain to believe that all men are good. Do not over simplify or ignore when you go out "dressed up" (even though you don't want to believe it) this could be the catalyst that sets off the nut job sitting 8 foot away. YES it's that simple. To all women, stay safe and ALWAYS watch your back.



posted on May, 23 2014 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

I can conceed to your point. Though the ideal shouldn't be to avoid attention (I am thinking in ideals, sue me) because people are animals. The goal is to civilize and not give in to the animal as well as to look over the systems which breed animals and take control of them.

I see how this ideal may cloud our evolutionary roles, but as I've said before I believe that we have the potential to step out of these. What better way than now to step out of these roles, it will not happen quickly but across generations.

Maybe I've read too much Dune

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