Questionable Behavior of 'God's Prophets' from the Abrahamic Religions

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: Akragon

skepticsannotatedbible.com...

While I'm sure some are exaggerated. Not all are and there's about 100. :p. and you just wanted 1.

Perhaps you'd like to point out your issues... im not going to go through that link...

bring it...

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: petrockopera

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

I vote to diminish it anyway. Absentee 'boss' = we make our own rules.
No killing.
If "God" is upset about it, he can just jolly well come back and re-state his policies. They're out of date and barbaric. And even if he did, I would not comply.

"No." It's not that hard to say.

Oh, and WELCOME TO ATS!!

Well, if you choose to believe what the bible says he will come back. And as a result of people who believe as you do will punish everyone far worse than anything found in the bible. So please try not to piss him off too much, actually i don't care if you do, just saying.

a reply to: Akragon

Lol, have it your way. I just cant tell if I find your lack of consistency perplexing or comical. Im stuck somewhere in between.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

what exactly is inconsistent?

this should be good

a reply to: MasterOfTheDamned

Well, if you choose to believe what the bible says he will come back. And as a result of people who believe as you do will punish everyone far worse than anything found in the bible.

That was a really long time ago when people were predicting a return.
I would say that 'what was their future, is our long ago past'.
Jesus' Parousia was a visitation, rather than something like just picking up where he had left off.
It was a visitation of judgment but was local in that it was on the very city (Jerusalem) that should have welcomed him rather than killing him.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

If you think Yahweh was such an evil God, what are you doing following the words of His Son?

She calls herself a ''non-conformist'', so she cherry picks the parts she likes from the Bible.

From Wiki .." A synagogue, also spelled synagog (from Greek συναγωγή transliteratedsynagogē, meaning "assembly"; בית כנסת beth knesset, meaning "house of assembly"; בית תפילה beth t'fila, meaning "house of prayer"; שול shul; אסנוגהesnoga; קהל kahal) is a Jewish house of prayer. When broken down, the word could also mean "learning together" (from the Greek συν syn, "together", andαγωγή agogé, "learning" or "training").[citation needed]

Synagogues have a large hall for prayer (the main sanctuary), and may also have smaller rooms for study and sometimes a social hall and offices. Some have a separate room for Torah study, called the beth midrash (Sefaradi) "beis midrash (Ashkenazi)—בית מדרש ("House of Study").

Synagogues are consecrated spaces that can be used only for the purpose of prayer; however a synagogue is not necessary for worship. Communal Jewish worship can be carried out wherever ten Jews (a minyan) assemble."

Also from wiki "Nazareth (/ˈnæzərəθ/; Hebrew: נָצְרַת, Natz'rat; Arabic: النَّاصِرَة‎, an-Nāṣirahor an-Nāṣiriyyah) is the largest city in the North District of Israel. Nazareth is known[by whom?] as "the Arab capital of Israel"; the population is made up predominantly of Arab citizens of Israel, almost all of whom are either Muslim(69%) or Christian (30.9%).[2][3][4][5] In the New Testament, the city is described as the childhood home of Jesus, and as such is a center ofChristian pilgrimage, with many shrines commemorating biblical events."
Excavations conducted prior to 1931 in the Franciscan venerated area revealed no trace of a Greek or Roman settlement there,[82] Fr. Bagatti, who acted as the principal archaeologist for the venerated sites in Nazareth, unearthed quantities of later Roman and Byzantine artifacts,[83] attesting to unambiguous human presence there from the 2nd century AD onward. John Dominic Crossan, a noted New Testament scholar, remarked that Bagatti's archaeological drawings indicate just how small the village actually was, suggesting that it was little more than an insignificant hamlet.[84]


Extrabiblical references[edit]
Ancient mosaic of Nazareth

The form Nazara is also found in the earliest non-scriptural reference to the town, a citation by Sextus Julius Africanus dated about 221 CE[22] (see "Middle Roman to Byzantine Periods" below). The Church Father Origen (c. 185 to 254 AD) knows the forms Nazará and Nazarét.[23] Later, Eusebius in hisOnomasticon (translated by St. Jerome) also refers to the settlement asNazara.[24] The 'nașirutha' of the scriptures of the Mandeans refers to 'priestly craft' not to Nazareth, which they identified with Qom.[25]

The first non-Christian reference to Nazareth is an inscription on a marble fragment from a synagogue found in Caesarea Maritima in 1962.[26] This fragment gives the town's name in Hebrew as "נצרת" (n-ṣ-r-t). The inscription dates to c. AD 300 and chronicles the assignment of priests that took place at some time after the Bar Kokhba revolt, AD 132-35.[27] (See "Middle Roman to Byzantine Periods" below.) An 8th-century AD Hebrew inscription, which was the earliest known Hebrew reference to Nazareth prior to the discovery of the inscription above, uses the same form.[6] a reply to: windword

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

If you think Yahweh was such an evil God, what are you doing following the words of His Son?

She calls herself a ''non-conformist'', so she cherry picks the parts she likes from the Bible.

I am a HE good sir...

I think you'd know that by now

Not addressed to me but I'll respond.

originally posted by: schuyler
You are simply parroting what we think today FROM today because you consider yourself an enlightened soul.

People who don't mass murder and don't rape ARE more enlightened than those who do.

"God" is a mirror of the culture that created him (or her) and that's who God "is". IN THOSE CULTURES the killing that was described was not considered "atrocious" at all, but the way things were done.

Which proves that GOD didn't tell Moses to go mass murder and take sex slaves. It was just Moses saying that. Not God. That's kinda the point ....

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
No where in the text does it imlpy rape, because rape was against the Law.

Open your eyes. It is all right there. The law said 'do not kill' but Moses sent them out to mass murder. The law said 'no adultery' but Moses told them to keep the young virgin girls. OF COURSE they were going to be mistreated. These are soldiers of war being told to go enjoy their war bounty. Common sense ...

God never gives His people the right to rape.

GOD doesn't. But humans do. And obviously the order from Moses came from Humans and not God.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Sorry I was hurrying, by flesh and blood I mean a literal body that you will see in the sky on a literal white horse, coming down to kick ass. Not gonna happen, the whole nice guy first time around and, conquerer the second time around is completely outside of what Jesus actually taught and lived.

For you see christ in you is the hope of glory. Not out there. A second coming has nothing to do with the rapture or any of the other doom porn, the christian version. Otherwise he would have finished that quote about the great and terrible day of the lord. He repeatedly clarifies what his Father is actually like, by taking OT passages, quoting them 'out of context', very liberal with his picking and choosing of quotes. Not a good exegete according to our protestant standards. Coming up against the wrong hearing of the forefathers:

You have heard it said an eye for an eye. BUT I TELL YOU.

This is not him giving a thumbs up to the entire old testament and specifically the retributive spirit of the law. He is quoting it, then clearing it up when he says, BUT I TELL YOU LOVE YOUR ENEMIES.

Whoever wrote down eye for an eye, and said it came from God was mistaken (along with much of the other questionable actions like genocide), otherwise he may have said.

"God originally said an eye for an eye, you know back when he was in the ass kicking business, but now I've come along and am going to take away all his anger and wrath, which he will pour out on me while I'm tortured mercilessly,because God is just after all and can't have all this sin go unpunished"

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
God doesnt tell anybody to rape or murder.

So obviously all these prophets of God in the Old Testament weren't getting their 'go kill and rape' orders from God.

And who are you to decide what is God's word or not?

SO everyone should just accept everything and anyone who claim to be speaking for God ... throw away their brains and their common sense? Muhammad claimed to be speaking for God. Do you believe him? No? Who are you to decide what is God's word or not? (see how that works??)

If you think Yahweh was such an evil God, what are you doing following the words of His Son?

Again .. the 'God' of the Old Testament isn't God. It can't be. The God who Moses claims tells him to mass murder and rape isn't the same God of Jesus. One look tells you they are two different things.

The dissatisfaction you are expressing right now is nothing more than a few mis-interpreted verses and a sour case of culture shock.

Think it through ..... God never changes. God wouldn't be a mass murdering rapist and then change completely and preach love, forgiveness and mercy. It's not 'culture shock'. God wouldn't change to fit into human cultural conditions ... He would always be Who He Is. He doesn't adapt to us ... we have to adapt to Him.

a reply to: sk0rpi0n

Address the topic ... not the posters.

Here are some bible quotes. Word for word. Care to explain how it's 'disrespectful' to quote scripture? (here's a clue ... it isn't). Wanna' admit that Moses ordered mass murder and sex slaves? It's right there ... scripture ... word for word.

MURDER - Exodus 2:11-15 In the course of time Moses grew up. Then he went to see his own people and watched them suffering under forced labor. He saw a Hebrew, one of his own people, being beaten by an Egyptian. 12 He looked all around, and when he didn’t see anyone, he beat the Egyptian to death and hid the body in the sand.

ORDERS VIRGIN SEX SLAVES FOR SOLDIERS - AND ORDERS MASS MURDER - Numbers 31:18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, keep for yourselves.

MORE MASS MURDER - Exodus 32:26-29 Moses stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

The eye for eye to means how I should feel about myself or any individual should feel about the matter of causing harm .Judgement begins at home as in my tent my body . Op might want to view this short vid to understand why God had to act so harsh in how He judged both His own chosen people and the peoples around . He did and does have a plan . a reply to: zardust

a reply to: the2ofusr1

It is flipping hilarious the way the bible never means what it says. It all makes complete sense if you assume it means what you want it to. I mean it's not like it's the perfect word of god or anything. It should defiantly not be true though out the ages. It was just referring to that specific society.... At least with all the rape and genocide. All that is just analogies while the flood is defiantly a historical account to be taken literally.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

An eye for an eye meant very well what it said. If you injured another you were to be injured in the same way. This is called retribution. This is the exact opposite of Jesus' message, which as he was being beaten and killed did NOT call down an army of angels as he could have (according to the carnal minded view of god), instead what did he say?

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

When he returned his first words to the disciples were "Shalom" well its equivalent, peace, which meant wholeness of community in total, all reconciled to one another.

John 20
19So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord. 21So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

John 14
25“These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. 26“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. 27“Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful. 28“You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 29“Now I have told you before it happens, so that when it happens, you may believe. 30“I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me; 31but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.

John 14 is the beginning of his last discourse to the disciples. Which he leaves them in peace. And when he returns to find them afraid, as he told them not to be what does he begin with?

Peace, Shalom, Wholeness, Restoration

This is in opposition to the ruler of the world who brings war, death, brokenness, separation.

And it's the new spiritual birth in the believer that gives him the mind of Christ .The believer looks to mercy and not sacrifice .Paul in instructing the church brings this out in the way of dealing with disputes and wants us to avoid taking a brother to the secular courts which shows no mercy and requires retribution .Paul in asking for the freedom of a runaway slave does not demand it but pleads with a brother in the Lord .Slavery was a legal right but Paul still sought the release . a reply to: zardust

You could probably say the same thing about the US constitution or other laws written now a days .There is no end to the debate and the different forms of interpretation even by the highest academics of the land .If it was reasonable to think that a complete understanding of a document could be done then you have to wonder why in modern times in modern culture it isn't so . a reply to: ArtemisE

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Your citation does nothing to prove that Nazareth existed as a city, or even a town, during the life the Jesus. Evidence to the contrary is overwhelming.

Lastly, Nazareth, the town name, has an odd spelling if it is based on the Hebrew town. Usually the Hebrew Tsade is rendered in Koine Greek as a Sigma (like Isaac is derived from Yitzak, Sadducee from Tzadokim, etc.) but Nazareth has a consistent Zeta instead of a Sigma in the NT. According to Epiphanius, the Nasarenes were an ancient anti-Torah sect of Jews from the time period of Jeremiah.

So this leads to a sort of catch-22. If Jesus was a Nasarene, then he has no relationship with the town. If Jesus was a Nazarene (that is, someone from Nazara) then he’s from a town that didn’t exist. To solve this problem, the gospel authors simply fudge the numbers a bit and thus we end up with a convoluted tradition that has Jesus ultimately from the town that sounds kinda-sorta-little bit like Nazarene: Nazareth.
deusdiapente.blogspot.com...

You blog post prof of non prof is only suggestive that it didn't exist and as the wiki post has some evidence that it did and does suggest the opposite .Believe or not believe is the only options weather it's true or false .If it was a created lie and had no truth to it to begin with then the question as to why might be appropriate . If it was true and usually the truth is the first thing to suffer from lies then you have to ask the same why .With a ton of evidence for Jesus as being true then the next thing would be to counter it with lies ...No need to respond as I am not interested in flogging a dead horse . a reply to: windword