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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: FlyersFan
No where in the text does it imlpy rape, because rape was against the Law. Captured virgins had two choices: indentured slavery under the protection of the Law, or marriage. Even in cases of arranged marriages, the bride had the final say (as was the case with Rebecca and Isaac).
The humiliation in Deuteronomy 21 was the shame of divorce, not rape. In those days as was the case in early America, a divorced woman was taboo. Like I said, the Law prohibited rape under penalty of death. The Israelites that took the Land entered the Land with a respect for the Law.
Also notice that Deut 21 states that the woman had to shave her head before living with her future husband. It does not state that the man was allowed to forcfully shave her head. This further implies choice. The woman set aside her captivity garbs because as a married woman, she was considered free.
God never gives His people the right to rape.
1 Samuel 15
2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
That would include the Bible and how it is considered, by the religions based on it, to be The Word of God.
The creator God is 100% in control of everything . . .
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
And in some cases the rapist gets off free... and the victim is left with life long emotional scars...
Some even become suicidal...
Face the facts... this god has little problem with rape, pillaging... destroying, murdering the innocent which include men women and children...
And yes its much different from today... back then women could be sold off as a commodity... women could be raped and the only thing required was a payment to the Father... no compensation for the victim, aside from the fact that they must marry the rapist afterwords
Again, you can defend it all you want, anyone who can read and is not blinded by the complete faith in the words of that book can see exactly what I and others have been saying...
This is NOT Gods word... period
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
Women didn't have a choice whether to marry or who to marry. Marriages were either arranged by the parents, who you obeyed or were stoned to death, or they were kidnapped and forced into "marriage," which is no different than rape.
Genesis 29 16
Now he had two daughters, the name of the elder was Lia: and the younger was called Rachel.
17 But Lia was blear eyed: Rachel was well favoured, and of a beautiful countenance.
18 And Jacob being in love with her, said: I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter.
19 Laban answered: It is better that I give her to thee than to another man; stay with me.
20 So Jacob served seven years for Rachel: and they seemed but a few days, because of the greatness of his love.
21 And he said to Laban: Give me my wife; for now the time is fulfilled, that I may go in unto her.
22 And he, having invited a great number of his friends to the feast, made the marriage.
23 And at night he brought in Lia his daughter to him,
24 Giving his daughter a handmaid, named Zelpha. Now when Jacob had gone in to her according to custom when morning was come he saw it was Lia:
God doesnt tell anybody to rape or murder. Both of those crimes had penalties. War, capital punishment and murder are three separate things. The fact is, that Israel was never commanded to accumilate sex slaves in a society where prostitution and adultery where illegal.
It isnt God's fault that things happen the way they do. Man has freedom of choice.
And who are you to decide what is God's word or not?
As stated before, if Moses was such a wicked man, why did Jesus stand next to him at the transfiguration???
Why did Jesus honor the OT as the word of God?
If you think Yahweh was such an evil God, what are you doing following the words of His Son?
The dissatisfaction you are expressing right now is nothing more than a few mis-interpreted verses and a sour case of culture shock. The real issue that you need to work out is reconciling the unavoidable connection between Jesus' Messianic ministry and the entire OT Law.
What was it that Jesus said? Something like, "Remove the log from your eye before removing the dust from your brother's."
You like to pass the blame around alot, but the truth is that if I am following a corrupt God, then Jesus is no better.
originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: Akragon
Worship your master as if he were Christ himself. It's Paul talking to slaves I Ephesians ( I think) that's off the top of my head. I'm sur I could do better.