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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
The correct way to state it would be either your Christian or your not Christian . You cannot be both a Christian and not a Christian.
Well, yeah, actually, you can.
I believe the lessons Jesus taught were important and invaluable to humanity at large. Great guy, important ideas. So, I'm a "Christian" in that regard.
I do NOT, however, believe that he was raised from the dead (or even that he died on the cross! and I'm not even sure if he existed at all!) or that he was born of a 'virgin'.
so - what about my stance makes me either/or Christian? Can I not believe in his teachings without buying the mythology attached to it?
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
If you agree with the statement that things can be both this and that at the same time and place and the same way . That means you are saying I either use "both and" logic or nothing else to describe reality is that right?
No. Of course not.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
The correct way to state it would be either your Christian or your not Christian . You cannot be both a Christian and not a Christian.
Well, yeah, actually, you can.
I believe the lessons Jesus taught were important and invaluable to humanity at large. Great guy, important ideas. So, I'm a "Christian" in that regard.
I do NOT, however, believe that he was raised from the dead (or even that he died on the cross! and I'm not even sure if he existed at all!) or that he was born of a 'virgin'.
so - what about my stance makes me either/or Christian? Can I not believe in his teachings without buying the mythology attached to it?
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: windword
That's exactly right either Jesus is visible on earth at this moment or he is not. Right now he is not visible.
We'll your quoting that verse and ignoring that the bible that their are two deaths mentioned in the bible. Salvation is from the second death, which is exactly what that verse is referring to. Even if you throw in the rapture either or still applies.
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
Are you trying to understand non duality where dual separation of issues do not work and normally is between to extremes and the phrase the truth is normally between the 2 extremes.
Lol you just said you agreed with both and logic... Which means you believe it can be both raining and not raining at the same time in the same place and in the same way
YOU
I have heard many spiritualist and Buddhist say that one must abandon the idea of either/or because reality itself contains contradictions, and believe that things can be both this and that at the same time in the same place in the same way.
ME
Yes. I agree with this.
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YOU
If you agree with the statement that things can be both this and that at the same time and place and the same way . That means you are saying I either use "both and" logic or nothing else to describe reality is that right?
ME
Of course not.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
The correct way to state it would be either your Christian or your not Christian . You cannot be both a Christian and not a Christian.
Well, yeah, actually, you can.
I believe the lessons Jesus taught were important and invaluable to humanity at large. Great guy, important ideas. So, I'm a "Christian" in that regard.
I do NOT, however, believe that he was raised from the dead (or even that he died on the cross! and I'm not even sure if he existed at all!) or that he was born of a 'virgin'.
so - what about my stance makes me either/or Christian? Can I not believe in his teachings without buying the mythology attached to it?
"I do NOT, however, believe that he was raised from the dead (or even that he died on the cross! and I'm not even sure if he existed at all!) or that he was born of a 'virgin'."
Either you believe Jesus is God and died for your sins, or you're not a Christian. It's that simple.
Chris·tian
adjective
1.
of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings.
"the Christian Church"
noun
1.
a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
Are you trying to understand non duality where dual separation of issues do not work and normally is between to extremes and the phrase the truth is normally between the 2 extremes.
I am not trying to understand anything I am making a point. That to say one must use "both and" logic is to use either or logic to make that claim. Which makes both and logic self defeating and there for incorrect
Either you believe Jesus is God and died for your sins, or you're not a Christian. It's that simple.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
I have heard many spiritualist and Buddhist say that one must abandon the idea of either/or because reality itself contains contradictions, and believe that things can be both this and that at the same time in the same place in the same way.
originally posted by: windword
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
The correct way to state it would be either your Christian or your not Christian . You cannot be both a Christian and not a Christian.
Well, yeah, actually, you can.
I believe the lessons Jesus taught were important and invaluable to humanity at large. Great guy, important ideas. So, I'm a "Christian" in that regard.
I do NOT, however, believe that he was raised from the dead (or even that he died on the cross! and I'm not even sure if he existed at all!) or that he was born of a 'virgin'.
so - what about my stance makes me either/or Christian? Can I not believe in his teachings without buying the mythology attached to it?
"I do NOT, however, believe that he was raised from the dead (or even that he died on the cross! and I'm not even sure if he existed at all!) or that he was born of a 'virgin'."
Either you believe Jesus is God and died for your sins, or you're not a Christian. It's that simple.
Not true. You've been brainwashed by fundamentalists.
Chris·tian
adjective
1.
of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings.
"the Christian Church"
noun
1.
a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
originally posted by: Pinke
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
I have heard many spiritualist and Buddhist say that one must abandon the idea of either/or because reality itself contains contradictions, and believe that things can be both this and that at the same time in the same place in the same way.
You really need to define exactly what school of Buddhism or the theorist you're actually addressing with this type of claim.
1. Buddhism is much more of a 'living' philosophy, as in it can actually change and have new parts added. Therefore thoughts on its practice and implications are incredibly varied.
2. Even if I was addressing a more fixed religion such as Christianity, I can't just say 'I've heard a lot of arguments about infinite density and the creation of the universe and this proves Christianity is illogical'. I might say William Lane Craig is wrong though.