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Single mom thanked Obama for her $169/mo insurance -- But...

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posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:31 AM
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Another one of those not-so-uncommon horror nightmares come true for one woman who was "promised" by the Washington State 0bama.Care exchange that a Gold Plan would cost her only $169 a month because she "qualified" for a precious subsidy.

Little did she know that the exchange was glitching like crazy when it was "calculating".

They finally got a hold of her and gave her the bad news that the subsidy was in fact a big fat mistake and her subsidy was actually $0.00 and now the "Golden" policy is $621. OUCH !!

Ironically and not surprising, this woman's initial *success* story was highlighted by 0bama himself.

All people need to double and triple check any and all information about their own policies, as many thorns are sticking people from every direction it seems.

0bama's tear jerking pitch is in the article along with the woman's reactions.....



A few weeks ago, I noted that nearly all of the early Obamacare applicants on the Washington State Health Benefit exchange had been given bad information. They were told they qualified for large subsidies to pay their insurance premiums, but it was all the result of a computer error that was massively underreporting the applicants’ income. The error may even partially explain the state’s unusually high sign-up rate for Obamacare at the outset.

Anyway, after discovering their error, state officials promised to contact all of those affected (about 8,000 people), give them the bad news, and give them another opportunity to decide whether to enroll.

Well, Washington State Wire reports that one of these folks has turned up — Jessica Sanford of Federal Way, Wash., a freelance court reporter. She isn’t just any enrollee. As it happens, President Obama once mentioned her by name. She was so thrilled at getting a “gold” level insurance plan for herself and her son for just $169 per month that she had written Obama to thank him. And then he read from her letter and gave her a name-check in his October 21 Rose Garden speech. He told her story — one of the few positive ones out there — as part of his sales pitch. ..................




Single mom thanked Obama for her $169/mo insurance — then discovered it would actually cost her $621/mo


I guess 0bama put his foot in his mouth yet again with this one.




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posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:37 AM
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where is this Obamacare money really ending up?

I have a gut feeling it is being LAUNDERED to some foreign entity that "we"* (corrupt bankster govt) owe.

The timing of this whole thing coincides with the post-collapse nation.

Where are people gonna find the money to pay for this? I mean IF people had that kind of money laying around then they would be spending it already and the economy would be doing better.

So, either sock away money for retirement and not have healthcare = die prematurely,
OR pay for healthcare and be PENNY LESS when old = worse than dying.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:38 AM
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As you demanded in another thread,

Democrats take on the Koch brothers




You will have to prove these claims 100% now.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:40 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen


Ironically and not surprising, this woman's initial *success* story was highlighted by 0bama himself.

LOL... I cannot express in words how funny yet depressing that is.
Propaganda at it's finest...
edit on 19/5/2014 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:41 AM
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Debunking Obamacare sob story




Except there’s a key detail none of these media outlets mentioned.
Which is: Sanford’s son was discovered to qualify for Medicaid coverage at a cost of just $30 a month. He has ADHD and, according to Sanford, it costs them $250 a month for prescription drugs alone. Which will now all be covered. It’s true the rest of her insurance won’t get a big discount, as she had first thought.
“That mistake is totally on us,” said Bethany Frey of the Washington state health exchange.
But a bronze-level policy for a 48-year-old woman making $49,000 can be had on the state exchange for $237 a month, and a silver-level policy for $313. So here’s a family that was totally uninsured for 15 years because it had always cost at least $500 to $600 a month for skimpy policies to cover them both. And what they can get now is full coverage for $30 a month for the son and scantier coverage in the $250 to $300 a month range for the mom.


It's nice to leave out details isn't it..

edit on 19-5-2014 by Onslaught2996 because: (no reason given)


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posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:42 AM
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The whole "left" and the rest of the Obamanites will raise the roof with claims that this woman is nothing but a big, fat, filthy liar. It doesn't matter what she says. It doesn't matter that she was/is an Obama supporter... She will now be nothing but a racist right winger who is single handedly trying to ruin Obamacare because she wants all the poor people to die en masse ASAP.

I'm psychic.


She has found out (like the rest of us) that Obamacare is not as affordable as promised. I do think it is mildly amusing when folks who are getting uber cheap/free insurance love Obama to death. They don't think about the shiite hole the rest of us got stuck in... that is until they find themselves in the same shiite hole. Then they don't want to sing Obama's praises anymore. It's a shame nobody could/would/did think of that before hand. Maybe if they did... we wouldn't be in this situation.

Empathy. Everyone should learn it then use it.
edit on 5/19/2014 by Kangaruex4Ewe because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:50 AM
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a reply to: Onslaught2996

There's big differences between the Gold, Silver, and Bronze plans.

And the Medicaid might conjure up a few problems as well.

The woman won't get what she initially thought.

But just the same, the punchline here is the egg on 0bama's face now


No excuse for the multi-million dollar Washington State exchange failures either.

That's why they call 'em "Rich Glitches".




posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:51 AM
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posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: Onslaught2996
Debunking Obamacare sob story








Except there’s a key detail none of these media outlets mentioned.

Which is: Sanford’s son was discovered to qualify for Medicaid coverage at a cost of just $30 a month. He has ADHD and, according to Sanford, it costs them $250 a month for prescription drugs alone. Which will now all be covered. It’s true the rest of her insurance won’t get a big discount, as she had first thought.

“That mistake is totally on us,” said Bethany Frey of the Washington state health exchange.

But a bronze-level policy for a 48-year-old woman making $49,000 can be had on the state exchange for $237 a month, and a silver-level policy for $313. So here’s a family that was totally uninsured for 15 years because it had always cost at least $500 to $600 a month for skimpy policies to cover them both. And what they can get now is full coverage for $30 a month for the son and scantier coverage in the $250 to $300 a month range for the mom.





It's nice to leave out details isn't it..

They were paying $250 a month, now pay $330. Depending on the plan they have, they may be paying more now, and getting no benefit from it until they spend thousands of dollars and the insurance kicks in. It's possible she's better off now, it's also possible she is not, and is spending more. Impossible to tell. And that is someone with a truly unfortunate set of circumstances very few people have, and she still may not be better off now.


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posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:55 AM
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originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe

She has found out (like the rest of us) that Obamacare is not as affordable as promised.


Of course, it was written BY the insurance companies. The industry that profits off of something gets to design the program that becomes law? W T F ?


healthcare companies are first place
in the SCUMBAG category.. I mean profiting off of people sick/injured/dying?
Can NOT possibly be a bigger pile of excrement than that pretty much.

how about you and I start a widget company, then have the govt come to us to write the program and laws about mandatory widget buying by every citizen?



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:55 AM
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originally posted by: Onslaught2996
As you demanded in another thread,

Democrats take on the Koch brothers




You will have to prove these claims 100% now.




It's about quantity not quality. Xeuchen was trying to pitch "Death Panels" earlier tonight in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Which was abandoned because it was of course completely untrue and now there this one! The Jessica Sanford story was debunked within a week or two of it's posting. Notice the publish date of the source article is Nov 19, 2013? Here's this one and a few others dismantled:

The Guardian - Remember all those Obamacare horror stories? Not looking so bad now

Isn't posting information known to be false a violation of ToS?
edit on 2014-5-19 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 02:00 AM
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a reply to: HanzHenry

Not having to create a product (widgets) that actually works while raking in millions because Obama makes it illegal not to purchase said NOT working product????

Where do I sign??



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 02:07 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Onslaught2996

As you demanded in another thread,



Democrats take on the Koch brothers








You will have to prove these claims 100% now.









It's about quantity not quality. Xeuchen was trying to pitch "Death Panels" earlier tonight in this thread:



www.abovetopsecret.com...



Which was abandoned because it was of course completely untrue and now there this one! The Jessica Sanford story was debunked within a week or two of it's posting. Notice the publish date of the source article is Nov 19, 2013? Here's this one and a few others dismantled:



The Guardian - Remember all those Obamacare horror stories? Not looking so bad now



Isn't posting information known to be false a violation of ToS?

Your source is propaganda.
Proof ...


Then there's the cancer patient who in the Wall Street Journal blamed Obama for the loss of her insurance plan that she "liked" and wanted to keep. Her insurance company made the decision to kick her off last May. It is true that she will be losing access to the range of specialists she had under that plan, but she will be able to get a plan if she wants one – other companies can't deny her because of a pre-existing condition – and it will be cheaper.

How do they know it will be cheaper? Many people pay MORE, and it's a proven fact. Complete propaganda. Also for the son with ADHD .. if she did not know about medicaid now, she may have been eligible before, and never used it. So all in all the ACA has not helped her in any way that has been shown.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 02:08 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Onslaught2996
Debunking Obamacare sob story








Except there’s a key detail none of these media outlets mentioned.

Which is: Sanford’s son was discovered to qualify for Medicaid coverage at a cost of just $30 a month. He has ADHD and, according to Sanford, it costs them $250 a month for prescription drugs alone. Which will now all be covered. It’s true the rest of her insurance won’t get a big discount, as she had first thought.

“That mistake is totally on us,” said Bethany Frey of the Washington state health exchange.

But a bronze-level policy for a 48-year-old woman making $49,000 can be had on the state exchange for $237 a month, and a silver-level policy for $313. So here’s a family that was totally uninsured for 15 years because it had always cost at least $500 to $600 a month for skimpy policies to cover them both. And what they can get now is full coverage for $30 a month for the son and scantier coverage in the $250 to $300 a month range for the mom.





It's nice to leave out details isn't it..

They were paying $250 a month, now pay $330. Depending on the plan they have, they may be paying more now, and getting no benefit from it until they spend thousands of dollars and the insurance kicks in. It's possible she's better off now, it's also possible she is not, and is spending more. Impossible to tell. And that is someone with a truly unfortunate set of circumstances very few people have, and she still may not be better off now.


No. That's incorrect. They had no insurance and her son's ADHD medication cost $250 a month. That's the medication ALONE. Probably Adderall XR which is indeed pretty expensive. So this woman had NO insurance for herself or her son and she was paying $250 a month for medication.

So why the Washington State exchange miscalculated, she can still get insurance for her son for $30 a month, with the drugs covered, and apply that $220 she's saving to getting herself insurance. If she gets a "bronze" plan, she's looking at $237 — so for $17 more than she's paying for his medication pre-ACA, he gets his medication and decent insurance and she gets minimal insurance which is probably better than most of the lower end plans pre-ACA and it's DEFINITELY better than no insurance. Or she could pay $76 more and get herself the silver plan. Still seems like a win?


The whole "left" and the rest of the Obamanites will raise the roof with claims that this woman is nothing but a big, fat, filthy liar.


Does it sound like that's what I just did? Then again I'm not an "Obamanite" I just can't stand all the one-sided far right propaganda that everyone (well really the same dozen or so people) jumps all over on ATS. It's disgusting.
edit on 2014-5-19 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 02:12 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04


originally posted by: Onslaught2996

Debunking Obamacare sob story
















Except there’s a key detail none of these media outlets mentioned.



Which is: Sanford’s son was discovered to qualify for Medicaid coverage at a cost of just $30 a month. He has ADHD and, according to Sanford, it costs them $250 a month for prescription drugs alone. Which will now all be covered. It’s true the rest of her insurance won’t get a big discount, as she had first thought.



“That mistake is totally on us,” said Bethany Frey of the Washington state health exchange.



But a bronze-level policy for a 48-year-old woman making $49,000 can be had on the state exchange for $237 a month, and a silver-level policy for $313. So here’s a family that was totally uninsured for 15 years because it had always cost at least $500 to $600 a month for skimpy policies to cover them both. And what they can get now is full coverage for $30 a month for the son and scantier coverage in the $250 to $300 a month range for the mom.











It's nice to leave out details isn't it..


They were paying $250 a month, now pay $330. Depending on the plan they have, they may be paying more now, and getting no benefit from it until they spend thousands of dollars and the insurance kicks in. It's possible she's better off now, it's also possible she is not, and is spending more. Impossible to tell. And that is someone with a truly unfortunate set of circumstances very few people have, and she still may not be better off now.




No. That's incorrect. They had no insurance and her son's ADHD medication cost $250 a month. That's the medication ALONE. Probably Adderall XR which is indeed pretty expensive. So this woman had NO insurance for herself or her son and she was paying $250 a month for medication.



So why the Washington State exchange miscalculated, she can still get insurance for her son for $30 a month, with the drugs covered, and apply that $220 she's saving to getting herself insurance. If she gets a "bronze" plan, she's looking at $237 — so for $17 more than she's paying for his medication pre-ACA, he gets his medication and decent insurance and she gets minimal insurance which is probably better than most of the lower end plans pre-ACA and it's DEFINITELY better than no insurance. Or she could pay $76 more and get herself the silver plan. Still seems like a win?




The whole "left" and the rest of the Obamanites will raise the roof with claims that this woman is nothing but a big, fat, filthy liar.




Does it sound like that's what I just did? Then again I'm not an "Obamanite" I just can't stand all the one-sided far right propaganda that every jumps all over on ATS. It's disgusting.

What makes the insurance decent? Who said she could not have gotten medicaid before and simply did not know it like she did not know now? I see nothing in there that says the ACA is good for her and her family. Have you seen the bronze plans? Have you seen the out of pocket expenses? This is a case of a child being put on medicaid, it has nothing at all do with private insurance plans. I agree, her son being on medicaid is a good thing for her. The ACA did not create medicaid.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 02:17 AM
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Totally. The Guardian is known for their pro-Obama bias, that's why the hooked up Obama with that Snowden propaganda.


But Sundby shouldn’t blame reform — United Healthcare dropped her coverage because they’ve struggled to compete in California’s individual health care market for years and didn’t want to pay for sicker patients like Sundby.
The company, which only had 8,000 individual policy holders in California out of the two million who participate in the market, announced (along with a second insurer, Aetna) that it would be pulling out of the individual market in May. The company could not compete with Anthem Blue Cross, Blue Shield of California and Kaiser Permanente, who control more than 80 percent of the individual market. “Over the years, it has become more difficult to administer these plans in a cost-effective way for our members,” UnitedHealth spokeswoman Cheryl Randolph explained. “We will continue to keep a major presence in California, focusing instead on large and small employers.”


source

So yeah. UnitedHealth was dropping her coverage in May because as their spokeswoman explained, “Over the years, it has become more difficult to administer these plans in a cost-effective way for our members." Having nothing to do with the ACA.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 02:21 AM
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I just proved it was propaganda with quotes that are 100% propaganda. Great job with your diversions rather than respond to my points.


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posted on May, 19 2014 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
Does it sound like that's what I just did? Then again I'm not an "Obamanite" I just can't stand all the one-sided far right propaganda that every jumps all over on ATS. It's disgusting.


I don't quite recall accusing you of anything in this thread? Since I didn't accuse you and you are not one of the "obamanites" that I mentioned, I am not sure why you posted to me directly.

I myself find it disgusting that so many are still jumping to Obamacares defense when it is obviously a blatant failure that has harmed so many and helped so few. This story could be completely fabricated. Thousands of other stories could be completely fabricated as well, but that would still leave us with thousands upon thousands that will be considered nothing but collateral damage before all is said and done.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 02:28 AM
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Funny thing about 0bama's "citation" in the speech.

It was the same one where the woman directly behind 0bama fainted.

It was pretty much proven to be staged as well....


Splash two for Mr. President that day.

older related topic.... www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 02:34 AM
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I also want to be clear that the experience of one person is meaningless. There will be winners and losers, the overall outcome is what matters.



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